Sebastian Lucius

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от Fed; 2620871 "

why Dorotheum disingenuous about the exhibition , as provenance

Dorotheum not disingenuous .
The description is in black and white was exposed ( as an artist ), on display in Berlin in 1898.
For the presence of this particular work at the exhibition , the auction is not claimed .

Сообщение от Fed; 2620871 "

And the main question , whether there were still haggling for this item ?

Purely philosophically , I want to note that especially in the beginning , obviously inexperienced buyers overpay by buying at auctions in Europe.
For example this case. The expected price of 8.000 - 12.000 euro , black on white paper and electronic catalog .
In fact, in the hall, bidding starts from 6,000 euros, usually minus 30 %.
If the buyer is not aware of this , makes an application for purchase through the Internet or by fax , it is natural to write a minimum of 8,000 euros.
That is, the minimum, which is in the directory. If the room or even wanting to buy more work was not, of course auction to sell the work of " extramural student " for 8,000 euros.
In this case , specifically , the purchase price with no overhead , it seems was 7,500 euros.

[Alex3030]

Thank you for the informative and well-argued responses. Once again, convinced a high level of professionalism and knowledge of the subject forum regulars .
Frankly, flattered by such attention to their humble person .
Rastroen provenance , but I think that this error will be resolved. In contrast to the Russian works from the Western provenance can be traced . The probability of "hitting " the clutches of your colleagues , to put it mildly , not very honest work , is small enough.

And yet , leave the ranting and gloating about the purchase. I have not decided . Price is fine with me . I asked about the quality of the work , the plot, composite construction , as far as everything is good , or, as I recently suggested to sketch , a rare deformity , Russian artist for a price three times higher than this . And they said that this is a great artist and his work , but also those to the country to hang , to scare the thieves will always cost money .

Yes, someone from Hamburg, a special thank you .

Quotes do not know how to invest , and that would put
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I liked it) ) )

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Fed

despite the deleted messages.

There's something removed?

[Fed]

Someone stole the night.

[Grigory]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Something was removed?

One message was deleted by the author.

[Marassa]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

In fact, in the hall, bidding starts from 6,000 euros, usually minus 30 %.
If the buyer is not aware of this , makes an application for purchase through the Internet or by fax , it is natural to write a minimum of 8,000 euros.
That is, the minimum, which is in the directory. If your room or at work wanting to buy no more , auction naturally sell job " extramural student " for 8,000 euros.

Actually, not always . I have been buying real cases , particularly in the Christies, at a price lower than the estimate and below my marginal rate . When submitting absentee bidding auction explicitly agrees to participate in the bidding for the client and job opportunities to buy cheaper, but no more than the marginal rate. Sometimes, of course , the auction is cunning and the absence of competition sells the item exactly the limit price of the order , such cases were also.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Marassa

at a price lower than the estimate and below my marginal rate.

This happens on online auction usual.

[Marassa]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

This usually happens at the online auction .

No, it was not a purely online auctions, and quite a full-time , in New York, for which you can watch online. And in other cases, I have had the pleasure to watch as auctioneer fierce bidding for me to someone in the hall <! - ~ 6 ~ -> I won, and again before reaching my marginal rate , but in this case it was considerably above the high estimate - very much like a Thing <! - ~ 6 ~ ->

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Marassa

I won, and again before reaching my limit bet.

Apparently, in your case nachilis auction with a starting price, not the price of absentee bida and auktsonist led the negotiating for you on his own, from the auction.

[Alex3030]

If you mean me, I did not delete or anything.
Perish the thought.
They will say that it hides))