Geniuses in private

[Vlasta]

Сообщение от dedulya37

A little to lay out his fotgrafiyu? I'd like to lose the gift ...

Well, first of all, my dear dedulya37 we are not on the site of marriage acquaintances, and secondly, fortunately, I'm not in your presence.

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Сообщение от Art-lover

If you chance a good wife - will be happy if bad - will become a philosopher. (c) Socrates

With this statement fully agrees. But the most interesting, when it comes to men's infidelities, the issue by any of the men is not even considered, he says, so it should be. But Kant is poor on all sides ... Here it is something none of the women did not cause unhappiness betrayal.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Vlasta

Luckily, I'm not in your presence

Lost ...: mad:

Сообщение от Vlasta

when it comes to men's infidelity, the issue by any of the men did not even consider

Why? He said "fellow". : p

Сообщение от Vlasta

Here it is something none of the women did not cause unhappiness betrayal

You must have a good husband! You are happy. Well, not a philosopher are you really! : D

[Veronic]

Сообщение от dedulya37

You must have a good husband! You are happy. Well, not a philosopher are you really! : D

Here, it would be good because, in fact, to live celibate lives and know exactly what you'll be famous philosopher.

[Vlasta]

Сообщение от dedulya37

Well, not a philosopher are you really!

Unfortunately, no, not a philosopher, but would love ...

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Vlasta

Unfortunately, no, not a philosopher, but would love ...

So no husband .... : (

[Veronic]

Сообщение от dedulya37

So no husband .... : (

Grandpa and you think that women are the opposite?

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Veronic

Grandpa, and you think that women are the opposite?

I would say "mirror".

[Vlasta]

Сообщение от dedulya37

So no husband ....

I do not understand your "English" humor. We are here that are discussing someone in person? And let us then and you ... And that, I think everyone will be interested.

[Станиславский]

Сообщение от Veronic

Here it is, sublimation in action. Interestingly, held to Kant as a philosopher, if he had tasted female caresses?

Siren Kierkegaard was also a virgin. I also became a great philosopher. Moreover, wrote "Diary of a Seducer."

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And here is what Janusz Vishnevsky. Not sure that his information true, but still read - interesting.

", for example, Beethoven died of cirrhosis of the liver. He drank heavily, because I was impressionable, poor, and moreover gloh.
... When he learned that he had cirrhosis, then stopped drinking brandy and went to the Rhine wine, because he believed that they possess extraordinary healing properties. Beethoven it was genetic. Alcoholism, which is responsible for the smallest of the chromosomes, chromosome 21, is inherited. The mother was eight children - three of them were deaf, two blind and one mentally ill. It is when pregnant for the eighth time, was an alcoholic and syphilis. Saw it with grief, for that matter, and Ludwig. "

"Brahms as well as Beethoven, drank heavily. But the wine and brandy than ever. But ever committed adultery. By the way, and with the wife of his good friend and music patron. Adultery it went down in history primarily because he slept with Clara Wieck, wife of Robert Schumann, another great composer of the XIX century. Svet ever he does not forgive. But not because he slept with her. This is just the image of an artist. All this was in circumstances in which it happened. When in 1854 after an unsuccessful attempt to kill herself Schuman concluded in a lunatic asylum, Brahms came to Düsseldorf, where Schumann had his own house in order "to comfort" the unfortunate suicide beautiful wife Clara. From the comforter, he quickly became her lover, and even lived for two , together with her. That's when Brahms composed his genuine seller, first piano concerto d-moll, a year the number of most-performed works of concert halls in Europe. When in 1856 the Schumann died in a lunatic asylum, Brahms left Clara and went from Dusseldorf. After that he began to drink. Sometimes he drank, along with Wagner, another famous composer, whom he hated, and who always envied the Brahms, but not his fame and success with women.
In general, little world of composers Brahms and Liszt cut filled with envy, jealousy, vanity, vain and intrigue. "

But about Marcel Proust:

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"This little, frail, ever fall ill, coughing, exalted, morbidly impressionable and in need of a permanent guardianship of female aristocrat's son admitted that he, in spite of the impression produced on women who regularly engaged in masturbation. Mainly, peeping of young men, who undressed before going to bed. Sometimes, when this is not afforded him satisfaction, he ordered his servant to bring into the bedroom cage with two rats, covered with a black silk handkerchief. One rat had a large and hungry, but Two small and lazy from eating too much. Masturbiruya, Proust rented a handkerchief covering the cage, and when a big hungry rats devoured the small, ejaculate. "

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But the words of Tolstoy about Ogarevo and Herzen:

"I just read the letter of our highly educated good man, forties, an exile Ogaryov to another more highly educated and gifted man - Herzen. In these letters Ogarev expresses his most intimate thoughts, exhibits its highest aspirations, and we can not see that he, as is typical of a young man, and partly drawn to his friend. He speaks of self-perfection, the holy friendship, love, ministry of science, humanity, etc. And then quietly he wrote that he often annoyed his friend with which the lives, the fact that he writes back (home) drunk or closes the long hours with the deceased, but nice creation "... Obviously, great heart, talented, educated people could not even imagine that there was anything even slightly wrong in that he, a married man, waiting for the birth of his wife (in the letter he wrote that his wife had given birth), came home drunk, disappearing from prostitutes. He had no idea that until he started to struggle and even a little not struggled with his pretensions to drunkenness and adultery, he was about friendship, love, and most importantly what about the ministry whatsoever, and to think not. And he not only fought against these evils, but obviously considered them something very nice, do not interfere with the pursuit of perfection, but because not only did not hide them from his friend, to whom he wants to exhibit in the best light, but just exhibited them. "

[LCR]

Сообщение от Stanislavsky

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And here is what Janusz Vishnevsky. Not sure that his information true, but still read - interesting.

", for example, Beethoven died of cirrhosis of the liver. He drank heavily, because I was impressionable, poor, and moreover gloh.
... When he learned that he had cirrhosis, then stopped drinking brandy and went to the Rhine wine, because he believed that they possess extraordinary healing properties. Beethoven it was genetic. Alcoholism, which is responsible for the smallest of the chromosomes, chromosome 21, is inherited. The mother was eight children - three of them were deaf, two blind and one mentally ill. It is when pregnant for the eighth time, was an alcoholic and syphilis. Saw it with grief, for that matter, and Ludwig. "

Your concerns and rightly so. At least in regard to the biography of Beethoven, Mr. Vishnevsky used a wonderful source - the duck, which went on the Internet 15 years ago as a mystery (too many coincidences, and nowhere more so rubbish he could not be found).

Ludwig van Beethoven was the second child of Johann Beethoven and Maria Magdalena Kever.
Results from Beethovens were 7 children:

Ludwig Maria, born. in 1769, died 6 days later.
Ludwig, born. 16/12/1770, died 26/03/1827.
Caspar Carl, born. in 1774, died in 1815
Johann Nicolaus, born. in 1776, died in 1848
Anna Maria, born. in 1779, died 4 days later.
Franz Georg, born. in 1781, died in 1783
Maria Magdalena, born. in 1786, died in 1787

Consequently, only three sons survived - but infant mortality was at that time a common occurrence - is enough to recall that of Mozart's six children survived only two.
How to find out whether two-or six-day child deaf or mentally ill, is known only to God and Mr. Vishnevsky.

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Carl Caspar was neither deaf nor blind, nor mentally ill. He died of tuberculosis, leaving a widow, Johanna, and son Charles, to whom Beethoven had had very attached.

Nikolaus Johann was not only in his mind, but also quite canny. Opened a pharmacy, a great success, which gave him the opportunity to even buy a castle.

If the mother of Beethoven's really the reason "to drink with grief" (note, I'm not saying that it did; according to the memoirs of contemporaries, and reviews of the Beethoven, it is implausible - all speak of her as a woman, gentle, attentive and very musical) as the husband she had a real beast), then Beethoven himself to such reasons in general, were not available, except for deafness, to accept that he was, of course, monstrously heavy.

The cause of Beethoven's death is unknown to this day.

In conclusion we can say that the life of Beethoven gives ample ground for his censure - he willingly lied, cheated his patrons, was rather greedy and selfish man, at the end of life has become extremely distrustful and suspicious (say, deafness to that predispose). There are all sorts of pretty crisp detail - but more about that next time

Сообщение от Stanislavsky

"Brahms as well as Beethoven, drank heavily. But the wine and brandy than ever. But ever committed adultery. By the way, and with the wife of his good friend and music patron. Adultery it went down in history mainly so because he slept with Clara Wieck, wife of Robert Schumann, another great composer of the XIX century. Svet ever he does not forgive. But not because he slept with her. This is just the image of an artist. All this was in circumstances in which it happened. When in 1854 after an unsuccessful attempt to kill herself Schuman concluded in a lunatic asylum, Brahms came to Düsseldorf, where Schumann had his own house in order "to comfort" the unfortunate suicide beautiful wife Clara. From the comforter, he quickly became her lover, and even lived for two years with her. That's when Brahms composed his genuine seller, first piano concerto d-moll, a year the number of most-performed works of concert halls in Europe. When in 1856 the Schumann died in a lunatic asylum, Brahms Clara has left and gone from Dusseldorf. Then he began to drink. Sometimes he drank, along with Wagner, another famous composer, whom he hated, and who always envied the Brahms, but his fame and success with women.
In general, little world of composers Brahms and Liszt cut filled with envy, jealousy, vanity, vain and intrigue. "

Here Mr. Vishnevsky made this scientific discovery: many generations of musicologists tormented question "slept with Clara Johannes or not," and concluded that most likely could not sleep. Let's leave it on the conscience of the Polish scientist. But what about Liszt, his benevolence, magnanimity, generosity, sensitivity to other people's music known to all (such composers were not so many - Schumann, Liszt Mendelssohn yes, that's the whole list), with the exception of Mr. Vishnevsky.

Well, Proust and others - are not my heroes, leaving the protection of their good name to someone else. At the same time can not but express his admiration for Mr. Vishnevsky, who managed to make a child's mother, Beethoven, despite the significant difference in age