Pre-funk, School of San Francisco

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от dedulya37

Wait compliments from our writer.

1) No comment.: P

2) It turns out that in America there is an art!

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Сообщение от Jasmin

abstractionists American.

It sounds as if from Khrushchev.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Jasmin

M. Shemyakin, for example, it is "French" and "American".

No, I do not think so Shemyakin, Bahchanyan, Sitnikov - it's all of us, without ogovorok.A it does not collect Interests are Americans, who because of the historical closeness were not included in the clip of Russian art. Bolotovskii, Hirshfild, Nevelson - these are known names on the interest.

[LCR]

Story of Richard Dibenkorne: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...8391&highlight =%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80% D0%BD

The plot of Elmer Bischoff here: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...4521&highlight =%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0 %BE%D1%80%D0%BD

[rainyday]

Сообщение от LCR

Pre-funk, School of San Francisco

This trend emerged in San Francisco as a reaction against the domination of the New York abstrantnogo expressionism. complete rejection of abstraction; major stroke, expressive use of color.

thanks for the discussion of this remarkable artists
SF local schools
but I can not agree with your interpretation
Is Ocean Park Dibenkorna a complete rejection of abstraction?

more simply, these artists rejected
from the opposition of abstract art
"illusionism" realistic

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от rainyday

rather just that these artists rejected
from the opposition of abstract art
"illusionism" realistic

And someone opposes?

Is, for example, Matisse contrasted?

[rainyday]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

And someone opposes?

Is, for example, Matisse contrasted?

Matisse is not opposed,
and Clement Greenberg - contrasted
so in New York is no "illusion"
among the "serious artists"
at the time and was

but no local artists Greenberg was not terrible,
New York is far and as artist-teachers
they are not so dependent on the mood of critics and dealers

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Greenberg

In fact, the avant-garde poet and avant-garde artist is trying to imitate God by creating something treatable justification solely in his own categories - just as nature finds a justification in itself, just as aesthetically justified landscape - the real but not his image, as something given, miraculous, independent of meanings, similarities or originals.
Must be dissolved in the form as fully to the work of the artist or writer can not be reduced, in whole or in part, to something that would not have been the very essence of art.

Once плосковато and boring, the second Comrade Greenberg wrote ...

What is the phrase "nature finds a justification in itself" - which immediately after the words of God.

[rainyday]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

Once плосковато and boring, the second companion Greenberg wrote ...

this I do not agree with you,
just my opinion, Comrade Greenberg wrote
internally persuasive
believing in what he says

and most of his ideas, I fully agree with him
(although as a model of kitsch
I would not give Repin for example)

the problem was just in some of his extremism
he's so all there in New York intimidated
attacks on any even chance of something like
or occasionally three-dimensional image,
that the tyranny of his could not cause
response revolution

and alas, so they despised kitsch
back in new guises conceptualized
winning and renowned art fair
as more avant-garde

Se in contrast
neither Park nor any Dibenkorn Bischof with Greenberg did not fight
and were soon on his side
just their abstract included the
conventionally representational art as a certain part

but their realism is not quite the same realism
that Repin

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

Once плосковато and boring, the second companion Greenberg wrote ...

For 39-year?

[LCR]

Сообщение от rainyday

but I can not agree with your interpretation
Is Ocean Park Dibenkorna a complete rejection of abstraction?

Of course, you're right. But I talked about the work of these artists in the years 1940-60. Where, in my opinion, can and should speak about the rejection of abstraction. Returning to her Diberkorna (Series Ocean Park Paintings), and Bischoff goes beyond the reporting period. Nevertheless, I admit my guilt - I have not specified the time frame rassmatrizhvaemogo direction.