Rubens from the store

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Сообщение от khmelev

Who is the "Marina Magdalene"?

I also read and did not understand - why Marina-what?
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What, still implicitly accepted this information?
Maybe I casually watched all 8 > versions of the story, but nothing more serious than a reference to chemical analysis, not heard. That picture, they say, is written by pigments used "400 years ago, in Rubens' ...
Slaughter argument! Although begs a number of questions:
1) and that, 400 years ago, no other artists besides Rubens did not exist?
2) and that, after the death of Rubens all known at the time pigments abruptly canceled, collected and buried in the garden? And do not use?
I want to believe that this study has been more complex and serious. And were not carried out in the Irbit, but still somewhat to the west. A similar presentation of the material - another stunning result of reform of higher education (in this case - on the journalism faculty of Moscow State University journalism department). And if not - it is too early, early director of the "Vienna Museum" (the elegant expression of arts television) tear in his ass hair.
Yes, I forgot: there was another reason - "tears." (But then it turns out that the director of the museum Irbitskogo too ... so ... Rubens ...)
Sumlevayus I, oh, sumlevayus ...
and his opponent immediately inform you that I - folk elements. (I have a document). And, I just can not fly away at any time ...

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Сообщение от Dilettante , 2344611"

What , still implicitly accepted this information?

During Putin's rule, I have developed a reflex - our TV news should be understood strictly contrary promise good happy life in Russia - all full well ... wait , dear Russians , talk about the barbaric Israeli military bombardment of the Gaza Strip - the Soviet missile " Grad" from Gaza fly to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, announced about the size of pension indexing for a pretty penny - the daily price increases for food eaten out of the pension for the ruble , etc.

And by the way , no one nearby did not put the two next to Magdalene - IRBIT and Vienna ?

I like this Irbit familiar from the literature : in this town were at the end of February 1942 from the siege of Leningrad evacuated Natalia Danko with his mother and sister Helen.
On the way to Irbit sister and mother died , and she Natalia Y. Danko died March 18, 1942 in a hospital Irbit where unconscious was taken off the train, the grave, of course, remain.
 

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2344651"

I like this Irbit familiar from the literature : in this town were at the end of February 1942 from the siege of Leningrad evacuated Natalia Danko with his mother and sister Helen.
On the way to Irbit sister and mother died , and she Natalia Y. Danko died March 18, 1942 in a hospital Irbit where unconscious was taken off the train, the grave, of course , there is not .

Yes. Not preserved.
And yet - well known to all Russia Irbit Fair (said - better than Makary . Lied , I suppose ... >)
And in Irbit born very strange, anyone not like the manner of the artist - Ivan Kalgan.
And from the Hermitage and the Tretyakov Gallery which only (and only where ) did not pass !
"However , for street children, which I currently represent, this is not true ." > > >
P.S. So all the same : it is allowed , if you thought that belonging Irbitskoi Rubens paintings to prove the truth ?

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Сообщение от Igor Guryev, 2344551"

It is doubtful that in Irbit - autograph Rubens painting.
A workshop at best.
In the best.

I understand at the moment is the authority in this story - Head of the Laboratory for Scientific Restoration of Easel Painting Hermitage Viktor Korobov.

It again, and listen: Read more: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/367722/#ixzz2CSZ5F2Z4 (as of 2 min. 30 sec.)

Viktor Korobov, head of painting restoration of the Hermitage: "Here I can see at first glance, even the hands of Jordaens and Van Dyck. That number of paintings ascribed to Rubens, it is physically impossible for one person to write, that is known for certain that the work shop. A Rubens just putting the finishing touches, that is, to the works of the breath of his brush, thereby enhancing the status of finished things ».

Here he is still, from here:

Head of the Laboratory of the State Hermitage restoration Viktor Korobov, after carefully studying the fabric concluded: "The picture is, of course, a high-level technique gives her a school of Rubens - is indisputable. Of course, there is still a lot of work and its final restoration, and for the passage of various examinations and tests to establish its history "
http://www.mir96.ru/news/view/77897

Interesting interview (about the restoration of all) Viktor Korobov here:
http://oriolablog.ru/rabota-restovratorov

Сообщение от Dilettante, 2344701"

So after all:-Do you admit the idea that belonging Irbitskoi paintings by Rubens proved reliable?

I am, if you will, of course, is not allowed. In my view, it is only the fact that there are all prerequisites for the start of thorough research web for possible confirmation of authorship Rubens. No more than that today.

1, 2 - a picture of Vienna

3, 4, 5, 6 - a picture of Irbit

[khmelev]

after the death of Irina Linnik hardly stayed at the Hermitage at least someone able to qualify , and most importantly honest , attribute Flemish painting . Especially in complex cases.
They already had a case where a lot of money for people " to sign for Rubens ," looking at the banal " school."

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Face Magdalene is written very well, and even in the style of Jordaens.

Gutter forms, it is not typical of Rubens ...

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Сообщение от Dilettante , 2344611"

What , all so unconditionally accepted this information?

I am over the "right " seems Viennese painting. On photography. Painting is not visible, visible only composition. And in terms of the composition of the "power ", mainly lines in both pictures is the same. This means that both paintings were a " starting point ", ie author (or authors ) is equally understood some key questions Rubens picture composition , artistic techniques ...
In the new film pose too mannered, too melodramatic , including tears (may increase restoration ) ... Viennese painting artistry and character more sincere " raised his eyes ," and it is better written.
Likewise, the second figure ...

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Сообщение от K-Maler

Vienna painting artistry and character more truly "raised his eyes," and it is better written.

But in iritskoy too "character" well written.

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The experts confirmed the authenticity of the Hermitage paintings by Rubens found in the collections of the Museum of Irbitsky


YEKATERINBURG, May 24. /Correspondent. ITAR-TASS Halevin /.
The product of the Flemish painter Peter Rubens' Penitent Mary Magdalene with her sister Martha, "which the Hermitage in 1976 gave Irbitskoi State Museum of Fine Arts /city Irbit, Sverdlovsk region /, is an original. This was reported today by representatives of the Hermitage at the press conference, which was held in Irbit museum.

Also confirmed the authenticity of the painting experts from the State Research Institute of Restoration. Paint, which is written this picture, and technology related to the time when Rubens was doing. The results of examinations of art, which were held in the Hermitage, also point to the fact that the "Penitent Mary Magdalene with her sister Martha," which is in Irbit Museum, was written with the assistance of a master of his students.

[SPOILER] «Before the painting was considered a copy of the famous paintings by Flemish artist - said in a conversation with the correspondent. ITAR-TASS museum director Valery Karpov. - We do not doubt that this master of the canvas is painted with a brush. "

"The fact that the originals by Rubens is in the collections of the Regional Museum - a landmark event for the people of the region. Now, in the Urals have yet another work of art, which we can be proud of, "- said in an interview with Trend. ITAR-TASS known Ural schedule Vitaly Volovich.

"When in the course of restoration" discovered "the eyes of Mary Magdalene, I saw the red inventory age, transparent cornea and reflections on it - the tricks that belong exclusively to Rubens. The chemical study of colorful pigments confirmed our assumption: the painting was created in the studio of Rubens as the first author's version "- said Karpov.

"The picture that lived more than 400 years, had a lot of damage: The edges were covered with paper on the paint surface had numerous scratches and abrasions, the surface itself is darkened and partially decomposed. We have strengthened the crumbling place, taped edges of the canvas, made thinner lacquer film. The restoration is not finished yet - we only brought the work of Rubens to the state in which it can be exposed, "- said restorer" Penitent Mary Magdalene and sister Martha, "Antonina Nasedkina.

"The fact of the discovery and publication of the unknown masterpiece of the great Flemish painter is an outstanding event in the world of art history," - said earlier in an interview with Trend. ITAR-TASS deputy director of the State Hermitage Museum, Vladimir Matveev.

Peter Paul Rubens - Flemish painter XVI-XVII centuries, the famous large-scale works on mythological and religious themes. It is now known about the author of two variants of the artist's paintings "The Penitent Mary Magdalene, and the sister of Martha '/early XVII century /: one is kept in the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna, other experts believe that earlier - in Irbit State Museum of Fine Arts .