Rubens

[John Preston]

Picture does not convince authored by Rubens, is the only opinion.


But doubts have already been set out above, I will not repeat.

[Greg]

Cases neprodazhi Rubens in London a lot recently and for the same reason - not convinced. In each of those cases, however, the answers to questions or did not receive any answers were stupid. The graphics are also not consistent oeuvre.
Here are the answers to stop the final conclusion. Workshop (according to the three main) is, but the rough restoration distracting. Appeals pursuant Meleager and the Furies. Perhaps, too, and trumpeter.

I would not want us to make God of Rubens. Because of this, the most numerous in Europe workshop has three dozen works of which have less indisputable. I am in the "god" does not believe his own authorship fraud because of the inability to draw all or well enough to teach a workshop - the most probable version. In addition, a high-quality items are claimed by Rubens, but otherwise the picture is presented as a workshop.

Just found out that the painting came from the collection of the Marquis de Kavaseppo (Cavaceppo). I can not find on the Internet - where it is. Do not fiction?

Opinions Rubens-nerubens much. Unfortunately, little "because ..." Therefore, by the way, with Delilah and Samson are not removed, because no "to that-that," and basic graphic mistakes there weight - read. "The murder of the innocent" (50 million pounds) in total - with modern-pigments.

In one of the above that-that used the word "traced" - a new word (to me) as "registered". Perhaps this lack of understanding lies the root of my narrow-mindedness.

Is there not "why that", please.

Thanks in advance.

[Konstantin]

Greg, why are you on the Russian forum asking for help Rubens ?
We here have different experts of course, but above all in Russian art . Of European painting at the correct European experts to find out.
When we spoke on the phone you more about myself auction house Schloss-ahlden wanted to know how much it is reliable as a partner and attribution as well.
All is strange when Rubens are not selling at Sotheby's and Christie's.

[Greg]

Hello , Constantine,

As said above , I asked Hans Vlige , Walter Liedtke and David Jaffe. Written response : "good" jobs workshop. Go they will not - it is indecent to stop going against Hofstede in his homeland . Neither Sotheby's nor Christie would like to have - just suppose - they will ask the same guys.
Such revelry opinions, as in Russia, I have not seen : usually a couple of stars and all they ask. Respect the opinions of whether the Hermitage in Russia - it seems there is none.
I repeat: there is no longer ask anyone . If you know - tell a similar level forum here.

On the other side, and that is in the above experts, but experience and a pair of eyes watching .

So I tried to find out separately from those who have those eyes .

Wrong?

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Greg; 2332791"

So I tried to find out separately from those who have those eyes .

Сообщение от Greg; 2332791"

tell me that level forum here

Forum of such level not.
And not only in Russia, but a little wider ...
Are you sure, before asking , saw similar discussions in this forum . And most of all were satisfied with the time put the question. You've heard the answer , what else?
Experience of the last several years has shown that the collective intelligence is rarely wrong forum . And controversial cases always immediately reflected in the dispute between the parties .
In your case the forum is unanimous in the statements and in the tacit approval of the other participants.
Strongly advise considering.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Konstantin

Forum, a level not.
And not only in Russia, but a little wider ...
Are you sure, before asking , saw similar discussions in this forum . And most of all were satisfied with the time put the question. You've heard the answer , what else?
Experience of the last several years has shown that the collective intelligence is rarely wrong forum . And controversial cases always immediately reflected in the dispute between the parties .
In your case the forum is unanimous in the statements and in the tacit approval of the other participants.
Strongly advise to listen .

You are wrong! People risk with money and quite rightly so that trying to learn the opinion of additional parties . By the better view. I would have done in his place as well.

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от sergejnowo; 2331841"

- How to draw the face of a trumpeter - as if with a satirical cartoon of the last century .

Two years ago , you had a VDU .
In general, the impression that someone 's face then written.

I visited the studio of Rubens , of course, silly picture ( in Antwerp has a hefty oryasiny ), and in principle, why would it not be a circle of Rubens, I see no reason ...
Although it may be, and later comrade . Rubens.
Plus do not let the impression that someone is a good ponovlyal canvas ...

[Greg]

Thanks, guys.
Variance opinions mean no consensus and that is good.
I'm also leaning towards bad restoration, because when live - see the difference from the old paint.

If something else will - leave here or, if urgent, 447,736,683,333.

Thanks for all!

All the best.

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от Konstantin

Greg, why are you on the Russian forum asking for help Rubens?

Although I am not The gain, but the answer.


From everyone - the ability, to each (ugh!, crossed out).
Everyone - if possible!
Whom Modigliani per euro on French flea market, and who Rubens ...

[uriart]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

Although I am not The gain , but the answer .

From everyone - the ability , to each (ugh! , crossed out). Everyone - if possible ! Whom Modigliani per euro on French flea market , and who Rubens ...

<! - ~ 7 ~ -> > > a couple tyschschi EUREKA gently with the support of Western experts ....
Neuzh if the writer does not understand the position that the experts on the phone did not speak opredelnnogo ?
Their words and thoughts are worth the money !
And considerable !
And the answer so evasive, because they want to get them.
A writer wants to eat fish , and on ..... sit, gee > > >