Spiritual Combat

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This Tartu cultural scientist Elena Melnikova Grigorieva and her students,

Lecture on the semiotics of art http://egmg.livejournal.com/1766409.html

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This Tartu cultural scientist Elena Melnikova Grigorieva and her students,

Lecture on the semiotics of art http://egmg.livejournal.com/1766409.html

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But Punk Angel on the same subject, the works of William Brui

Did this work demonstrates a Guelman along with everything else ...

Or Bruy as Chubarov relate to "so timely" project Gelman - Bondarenko?

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Does this work demonstrates a Guelman along with everything else ...

Or Bruy as Chubarov relate to "so timely" project Gelman - Bondarenko?

To the project - not, of course, and old picture, but the idea is in the air.

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Victor Bondarenko exhibition project «Deisis /Imminence " (Victor Bondarenko, Konstantin Khudyakov Roman Bagdasarov ).

But it is a normal project, quite creative research, a lot of work ... presented as a "reconstruction " is a thought ... it is close to the philosophical tradition of religious painting.
And icon - images of " the invisible and secret life" (John of Damascus , that today his defense statement handy icons ) ...
And that discussion is presented on the exhibition - a way of "invisible and secret policy " ... who did not believe in the " conspiracy theory" - I'm sure ...

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And that discussion is presented on the exhibition - a way of "invisible and secret policy" ... who did not believe in the "conspiracy theory" - I'm sure ...

So that's good.
[QUOTE] Kuzichev Igor Ashmanov came to our studio. What a splendid companion! Igor, hi.

Ashmanov: Hello.

Savelyev: Let those who do not know. Igor Ashmanov - Russian expert in the field of artificial intelligence, software engineering, project management, etc. etc.

Kuzichev: Well, I love you, Igor has a natural intelligence. Friends, so we discussed on Friday sentenced Pussy Riot, all progressive humanity, of course, in a rush of the rebels and the revived, even in Cologne Cathedral there was some action. Well, all is clear. And on this occasion we promised to call Igor Ashmanova because I paid attention to the way in which are formed on the major news sites news. Somehow they ... So I showed the guys a triptych called Triptych, so is the principal part of the news site: Home News and there are three more in addition. They are all somehow related to the church, the Russian Orthodox Church. Here's one piece of news was about Femen, that these terrible women, with bare dangling (forgive me for the harshness) boobs are sawed, piled in FIG cross memorial in Kiev.
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Ashmanov: You mean - women terrible?

Kuzichev: Everything in man has to be a pain if you sawed cross. We therefore thought, maybe it's conspiracy theory, but maybe she has a full, so to speak, the real mathematical principles that now is the systematic attack?

Ashmanov: Yes. See what media campaign against the Church - it is an artificial thing, which is sponsored by the outside, there is unwound there performers, there is, accordingly, those who plan there and so on, it is more or less obvious. You can just take a close look for yourself what news is about the Orthodox Church. You will find that about once every two or three weeks is quite a serious stuffing, basic. Well, here's the latest you've probably seen how Gelman, for no apparent reason suddenly wrote that Krymsk Orthodox Church is not visible, and where it come for the funeral, she takes the money from the horrific casualties and so on. Lies from beginning to end. It is obvious why he does it. Well, pretty much all the news and stuffing against the ROC goes through Gelman. Gelman is one of the basic units of distribution, more even initiate, not spread, and the initiation of the news.

Kuzichev: Gelman?

Ashmanov: Yes, yes, yes, he is. Just as we measure our social networks and blogs ...

Kuzichev: "We" - that I should explain this company Igor Ashmanova who's involved in the measurements.

Ashmanov: Yes, we have a resource, which means that pumps out all the blogs out there, and analyzes key statements, seeking a specified object, and so on. So that's just people who are measured, in particular, the federal different people, including the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, and they say that there is Gelman authors stuffing almost in 50 percent of cases. Well, just so he fit into the story. Apparently, not only by personal hostility to the church, although it is for him, too, once chased because of his quasi-art. But then you probably have seen, what is now dumped in regard to a letter of a cleric allegedly, that is some kind of acolyte, deacon.

Savelyev: Deacon, yes.

Ashmanov: But on closer inspection it turns out that such is not the deacon, and the entire text - is kopipeyst "Echo of Moscow" and some other liberal resources, just exactly to the letter paragraphs match.

Kuzichev: Yes?

Ashmanov: Well, then, yes, it's fake. And those who reprinted it in blogs, they say, look, look, guys, here's a fake. And there's even a kind of Sergei ...

POLES: His name is Sergei Baranov, that this name is a deacon.

Ashmanov: But there still is a Sergei to "A", which is exactly it was decorated in the same journal, and he participated in the previous ballot stuffing. That is, it is a fictional character explicitly. But when there's talk about it in Feysbuke or blogs, people say: well, it does not matter, Fake Fake it or not, a letter of the good things you pereposchivayte not bother. As in his time Navalny, when he said, you're a fake are spreading ...

Kuzichev: What was it?

Ashmanov: Well, there are plans for the "United Russia", which is actually also one catapulted from 2000 or from any there. He replied, "You are not reflective, you distribute, even kicking." This is an exact quote from the Bulk. Now exactly the same words ...

Kuzichev: Excellent! Luxury, huh?

Savelyev: And, behold, I found it. This man was: the browser with the "Echo of Moscow" Anton Walnut. And there kopipeys his blog.

Kuzichev: No, are you?

Ashmanov: No, no, it's ... And it's this character, he appeared under a different name, type Aristarkhov Sergei Aristarkhov, where in previous years. And he has all the design, in general the whole manner was exactly the same. That is, it is a fake Virtual, but still, so ... Oh, never mind, that's just it's time to take another big stuffing. That is, Pussy Riot "- is a series, especially running. Moreover, I believe there defendants and lawyers purposely delayed the investigation, because for them it is important that as many media had exhaust.

Kuzichev: Just to be long.

Ashmanov: Yes, as long as possible. This is all evident in the web, it's possible to measure. So these stuffing, they come with depressing regularity, that is coming and coming.

Savelyev: A regular clear about this, no? Month, two months?

Kuzichev: Once every couple of months.

Ashmanov: Well, I was saying, no, every two to three weeks - a new stuffing. And if you saw what was in the spring, if the lack of fresh news or can not hang on to something, as to the Crimean, for example, here is a tragedy, let me we'll pass on it, navreno that the church was not helping. Although there are those priests were floating, pulled out of the water of the drowning boat just at the beginning, as the one who died or lieutenant colonel.

POLES: police, yes.

Ashmanov: Well, there are not enough fresh or some sort of locomotives that can be trailer, pulled tuhlyak. There the same clock - it tuhlyak three years ago.

Savelyev: In what sense? That is, it has long been known?

Ashmanov: Well, this story was trying to promote a "Ukrainian Truth", they took pictures of the watch when the Patriarch came. There was, apparently, a team of wet Patriarch for the fact that he comes to the Ukrainian land to his congregation. Here. Three years ago, he was photographed, it is trying to promote, but it failed to take off, because then the Patriarch said, well, there is some hours I have, I have these unopened boxes are all considered debt give expensive gifts, I'm there, type, not worried. Here. And dug it three years later. There came a strange story that I personally find a diversion, because there is, relatively speaking, there is suddenly a clerk, she wipes the watch. In unattended section in the photograph, which three years. Five hours later (it's just a known figure), five hours knows the entire Internet in the morning already. How so? When she was asked where she says, well, I felt sorry for the Patriarch, I decided to help him. Well, I'm here to such things I do not believe personally. You want me to conspiracy theories conclusions.

Kuzichev: No, we want to build on the ...

Savelyev: real data.

Ashmanov: In short, the clock - it tuhlyak. Apartment - is also tuhlyak actually, he, too, more than two years. Pension, if you remember, there was a not too soaring theme that the church takes the Patriarch to the Church together rob seriously ill children one of the buildings of a pension, that takes away, does not it, and so on. This topic is beginning to take off. I have a feeling, because we have seen it too, my people there say that it is looking to the subject in one mug, so to speak, soaked Parker.

Kuzichev: Max?

Ashmanov: Yes. That he wrote a revelatory text that is all wrong from the beginning to the end, and everything is vice versa with this boarding house. But the same theme was two. That is, it is also dug up, because there was a lack of material, and the fire that need all the time to throw.

POLES: Well, see, now, that grip the material, I think plenty, when church officials knocked on the roads drunk ...

Kuzichev: Excuse me, please. Do you remember, I asked you this question, and I think that none of our students it also does not answer, just like you. Friends, well, here it is, an accident. One of the participants of the accident - really a man, wearing dignity.

Savelyev: Two accidents.

Kuzichev: And the second? Who cares, we do not know. Well, the truth, no one answered, no one knows.

Pole: No, I want to Igor just commented on this situation. Maybe there was not a clergyman.

Ashmanov: Look, of course, convenient when you can raskovyrivat real problems. If they are, if such an institution as the Church, which, of course, full of fools, drunks, and so on. While, for example, I think you still have never heard of a priest accused of murder, for example, or of theft, robbery, well, does not happen. But other all there is a lot of stocks. It is clear that it generates a number of occasions. Like I told you, if you want to prove that there is a Russian fascism in the country, every day there is a sufficient number of fights, where one of the participants - Russian.

Kuzichev: Yes, yes, yes. Again, I'm sorry, again interrupting. We can say that if we Rustam, God forbid, knock on the corridor, we can say that Toll Rustam, or is there another program director of the program director of a fight. And it can be said that the Russian and Tajik met in the hallway on the grounds of national hatred. That's it!

Ashmanov: Yes. And if we wanted to prove that there is persecution bald, you would have been doing, on the contrary, the injured party.

POLES: About bald prosecution is not necessary now.

Ashmanov: Because bald actually constantly persecuted. If there going to do with all of our CIS space whenever bald participate, after a while they realize that someone is following bald.

Kuzichev: Press.

Ashmanov: Press the power or secret organization.

Pole: Hunting for Witches bald.

Kuzichev: Given that today Sergey Aslanian not be broadcast on the "Lighthouse" ...
Pole: I say: about bald should not ...

Ashmanov: I'm your internal troubles do not know ...

Kuzichev: Do you know the general principles and it works.

POLES: Because these accidents, I think too much steeper newsworthy. Drunken priest hit by car. And here's one day it sounded, and forgotten. And already there is a deacon, who gave up his rank, and so forth .. etc. As will be developed here are now a real threat?

Ashmanov: I do not know how it will develop. See, then, there are two explanations. One sort of philosophical about that, maybe later, why the campaign against the Church. Other - pragmatic. So, pragmatic, it is phenomenological, ie looking from the outside and make the assumption. This assumption about who pays, who books. There are more or less everything is obvious. In January Berezovsky suddenly turned Orthodox, wrote this letter to the Patriarch of boorish, demanded that he went to Putin persuaded to resign and called elections. Two weeks later, Berezovsky wrote that he was very orthodox man, deeply orthodox and will do the Orthodox political party, despite the fact that we have it is prohibited by the constitution, and so on.

POLES: Well, there he can say anything.

Ashmanov: Yes. And two weeks after that started more uninterrupted since hitting the Orthodox Church. And, as I watch it first started and supported by the newspapers, which once belonged to Berezovsky at all and where people work-fosterling Berezovsky, then there are those who for many years worked with him. The same Gelman, in particular, the person who is closely associated with Berezovsky, Gusinsky, and so on. Here. This is the first. And in that sense ... yes, Berezovsky is pretty recently slept, wrote a letter here, if you remember, in defense of Putin: Vladimir, let's let these poor girls and so on. That is, he confirmed all this conspiracy. How much it will pay for it, who told him to pay or he pays himself, I do not know, I'm not a scout and not a politician.

POLES: That is the scale of prices no sense to ask?

Ashmanov: Well, look, I think that these things are not very expensive. He vytrachivaet there this month, I do not know, in the Russian money several million rubles, I think that's right.

Savelyev: Well, the whole country and the hype that goes, it's not so much.

Ashmanov: Yes, it's cheap.

Kuzichev: And very profitable.

Ashmanov: The fact is that the media - is a magnifying glass, is a means of strengthening that there is even the smallest signal properly served, is enhanced in many orders, so we can all achieve small means. Well, maybe he vytrachivaet there two decades, tens of millions of rubles, it is still a little money.

Kuzichev: Well, look, we're looking around - and for themselves, and in newspapers and on television. Suddenly someone with horror, others with admiration and joy realizes his childhood dream of ... you know, that's a child sometimes sit, watch TV and think, damn, I would go there now, in the movies, there jump to the girl this ... well, I mean here in this fantastic story would be there. And suddenly you see that you happen to part, perhaps, not a movie, but at least this idea - the "tail wagging the dog."

POLES: Yes, I am, by the way, yesterday revised the chance this film.

Kuzichev: Yes, thank you, and remember that movie. And Igor also remembered him.

Ashmanov: Yes, I remember. Here we are once with one of my colleagues came to a German in Hamburg after inserting "CeBIT", there to work together and do a project for the German. This was 1999. We turned on the TV in the hotel and all of a sudden we see news that bombed the Balkans, the Serbian war began. And I look, and I start to move the hair on the head, I say, Serge (and it was Sergei Korolev, who for once did a search engine, "AltaVista" and so on, and he did medialog, technical director of the track, too a competitor). I say, Serge, look, this is the movie "Wag the Dog", all the way. And even there has been the pilot, crashed behind the front, which will now be saved. In the same shot down that "Stealth" and so on. He said: So what? Who watched this movie? If it works ...

Kuzichev: That works.

Ashmanov: As Americans, they also used the circuit operates. Let it even in the movie is shown, but it also works.

Pole: The scheme works. We see in our news.

Kuzichev: Yeah, that works. Look here, and why, is it really the will of one (even now I will not repeat, or voice, or to assume his last name), do the will of one person can turn that's the way, sorry, our lives?

Ashmanov: No, probably not. The point here is not the will of one man. Here further - this is the second philosophical explanation. Very short, dashed, it is you may not even like it or cause any rejection. Well, here's looking at. In order to build a strong state, need an ideology. Hence, the ideology - a huge open-work building with different parts, which can be constructed for many decades and thousands of man standing there, writers, artists - all. It should begin with a summary of the page, then a short course, a manifesto and then up to 30 volumes of Stalin and Lenin. We've all seen it. So, to build a large state, you need an ideology. We, like many others, all of Europe and there is a part of Eastern Europe and so on, we once worshiped church democracy in Washington, and took their ideology. Their ideology is too difficult, very difficult, very developed and built 200 years too. As it says there that ideology should contain a summary, but it should be extremely extensive, so you can always say that you're here it's not read this- a page, and should be self-contradictory, so you can justify any claim - and for and against, and so on. Well, one time we were not able to drop hostile ideology. Why is the enemy? That's why. Because when you took someone else's ideology, the referee is outside, that is, he can always say, yes you are wrong a Democrat, then we fly to you. It is clear, is not it? Always judge someone else, Democrat or not.

Kuzichev: Well, of course. And if you play football, there is always a UEFA or FIFA, who will say, old man, it is necessary to do everything differently.

Ashmanov: Yes, yes. Rules if given from the outside. So, we at one time made a sluggish attempt, but misfired because of internal contradictions, they said, and we have a sovereign democracy. That is, they have not given up this belief in liberal values, but they wanted to be autocephalous. It is clear, is not it? They wanted to say, sovereign democracy, then we are here in solving. It did not work for some reason it died out. Me at the time, this idea very much, but ... And now Putin with the team started to show that they seem to stagger in the democratic faith, ready to break away. And where they can lean on? Their ideology, unfortunately, Surkov or whose responsibility it was - not created at all. And there really tens and thousands of man needed to write it all out there to attract composers, film shoot, write hymns. This is not done, there is no ideology in our country. Here I was driving, I heard someone say, you also, in my opinion, on the radio: it is necessary for us to produce products competitiveness in the world market ... The same can not be an ideology.

Savelyev: No, it is not an ideology, it is a way of survival and existence.

Ashmanov: So. There are close, there are two huge columns ...

Kuzichev: Otherwise, I'm sorry, or if you can accept that "Uralvagonzavod" is an ideology. And it's terrible!

Savelyev: Listen, now any company but the smallest have their ideologies, people spend millions.

Ashmanov: a mission, yes. Even the "Mission dzhenereyter" - mission generator in the web ...

Kuzichev: Generator missions?

Ashmanov: Yes, and you will generate a mission there.

Savelyev: Well, we'll show our mission to generate ... well, more.

Ashmanov: So that, accordingly, there is next to two huge towering columns, one of which was built two thousand years - is Christianity, the second - this is communism. That's all that we have in the country now is. They are very large, worked and so on. So, where can lean on the same Putin suspended, generalized Putin for that clutch, if it starts from the column of liberal values? Either there or here. Well, for communism ... as if it greatly compromised, and there Zyuganov fun, he is a clown, freak, from our point of view, as if the country was looking at him ... even though he has a constituency out there, 20 or 30 percent.

Kuzichev: Yes, there is.

Ashmanov: So, you can grab hold of communism, that is not likely to prokanaet, apologize, or for religious values. So to prevent this, tried to advance shit ...

Kuzichev: The second column.

Ashmanov: Yes, that's my assumption is that the true purpose was. And the fact that this artist Berezovsky, who unpacked his bag full of money and pays well, he may be some kind of his motives, I do not know. But I think that the philosophical meaning of this attack just like that.

Kuzichev: At least the logic in it, so at least.

Kuzichev: As Igor told us, there turns out to be the generator of the mission, and Elijah took it.

Savelyev: And the mission formed. Who will take some time to correct translation of the mission itself, faced with another problem.

Kuzichev: Mission-is clear, and how to translate it into Russian?

Savelyev: Listen, in fact, it was a demonstration experiment now. For here we are talking now about ideology, which is in the West, but even there the generator mission in Russian, we have found a mission generator only in English. Therefore, they have the mission-and the ideology is, and we have, the higher our leadership of the country ... they can not get into the Internet, to form a mission.

Kuzichev: What is the name of your friend, Sergei Korolev? Here he is, "AltaVista" did medialog ... Let him do a small generator ... You do, Igor, my God, you're sitting here.

Ashmanov: I can not, of course.

POLES: There's one at a time is enough.

Ashmanov: Of course, it's elementary work, yes.

Savelyev: Well, to sound?

Kuzichev: voice, come on.

Ashmanov: We need to explain how it works. You choose the keywords you open, how to close the mission. That is, choose some options, but it generates, as it pulls on the grid, the grid a mission.

Savelyev: We exist to truly intsiirovat, cool initiate ethical, intellectual capital, to be the best in the world! This 'Prevention' at "Mayak".

Kuzichev Lord, sounds like it is the most ...

Ashmanov: Well, there is a second, we just managed to generate two.

Savelyev: Yes. Our second mission - to force the high-quality information for immediate delivery to consumers. It is sold, in principle, for $ 10 take it, please, such a mission.

Kuzichev: It's okay, it's okay.

Pole: You said you'd read some malicious SMS-ki.

Kuzichev: I read just one, it would be this, the collective character. In the sense that people do not want to hear anything. Well, it would seem that our mission ...

Ashmanov: Well, what to do? "Lighthouse" as they listen to, though.

Kuzichev: Listen. And the fact that they write these SMS-ki, confirms that they are listening, let him and hate. So, I'm talking about, about the fact that people listen, get angry and do not want any argument, "Well, of course, yeah, you fucking Kremlin propaganda - write to us people - so you and believe!". I repeat, this is a collective SMS-ka. Why are you with our money as we hang noodles on the ears? You bought all scum! Well, there, etc., etc.

Ashmanov: Well, besides the fact that it is true, there is opinion.

Kuzichev: Well, I mean, it would seem, that you have your strong opinions about something. Here you listen to the opposite, you must be terribly interesting, is not it? You want him, so to speak, to enter into a controversy, you want to reach. No, people write, you scum, you propaganda, and I turn off the radio, and now ... See?

Ashmanov: Yes, of course.

POLES: Listen, I realized, maybe the problem. Because we with Igor Ashmanova not meeting for the first time, and the technology of how it tracks here is the emergence of natural or not natural news, in principle, we do. And those who listen to "lighthouse", they have never heard ... That may be, can the same thing that we told the two programs, briefly formulated?

Ashmanov: Well, I'll explain shortly, yes. So we pump out millions of the most interesting blogs and feeds in social networks and see how spread news. So, the first thing I must say that sometimes stuffing in social networks, but they are beginning to be worth something, when there was washing in the media. So, I call it just by washing, because in the last few years, a precisely this phenomenon that is laundered in the news media, when the media takes off his responsibility. In general, the media were previously responsible for what they write. It has become all you can, because you can say, write on the Internet, on the Internet saying ... "As they say on the Internet" - you can even hear it on TV, and as if the speaker is a journalist, he will not accept liability.

POLES: He does not answer.

Kuzichev: Yes, yes, yes.

Ashmanov: extreme case of withdrawal liability - it is WikiLeaks, which allegedly merges the insides, and all reprints, but none of them would meet, nor for the correctness, nor for that. So, this is the first. Second. Stuffing, how it differs from the usual events? Normal event usually has a lot of original, because a lot of correspondents, many people who write blogs, write differently. That is, if we take the stuffing of some artificial Patriarch, we see usually one or two sources, all the rest - reproduction or paraphrase.

Kuzichev: That is, respectively, one-two version of the text.

Ashmanov: Yes. And at some event like Easter, or that's just passed yesterday Transfiguration, there will be many different originals, because different people write in different ways, and they will appear randomly throughout the day. Stuffing - what we see, always has a very sharp peak at the daily chart, the daily. And on a weekly or monthly chart, we see about the Patriarch's what I call a "shelf", because all the time go stuffing that support the shelf, and it does not bend, that is, is a lot of mentions.

Kuzichev: shelf - it is understood that the number, so to say, the level of interest, it is the same.

Ashmanov: Yes, he does not drop at all times a sufficient number of mentions of the topic, discussion, and so on. So, stuffing little originality, it soon decays on the daily chart. That is, ballot box stuffing, spread, and all. So you usually have one, two, three sources, and very often these sources actually - less popular or less popular blogs accounts in social networks, which have, in addition, are killed after stuffing. Here is a typical example is given. Stuffing was a girl who wrote that her dad in Krymsk, and he's almost at the meeting ...

Savelyev: This is a known girl.

Ashmanov: Yes, but it does not exist.

Kuzichev: Well, it's not a girl, it is a known position. It is a known post-defunct girl, as it turned out.

Ashmanov: This post is "VKontakte" made in the account, in which up to that post only flowers and seals, and there was very little text, like a girl, that is an imitation of a real person. Then thrown the post for two pages, is not stylistically similar to what it was before, and after four hours, this account is killed. Raised the cry that VKontakte, sneaky VKontakte pinches information. In reality, there is the author of this account removes.

Kuzichev: And tell me, second, this is very interesting. But for all these months and years, that these seals and flowers, they automatically support?

Ashmanov: Yes, most likely.

Kuzichev: Either there is a real statement?

Ashmanov: Well, there is a statement, but it is possible that he has software that scoops up strangers and post seals to itself, to create the appearance of life.

POLES: Well, it's very strange. If you come to get a job: what do I do? - And you post seals and flowers every day VKontakte.

Kuzichev: No, well, you did not come, as you say, blindly. The office of the organization is looking for Coy Coy who ...

Ashmanov: Well, people are also hired to hackers, spammers to somehow ...

POLES: The Apprentice?

Ashmanov: No, well, here I spammers entice people, for example. They paid the kind of money that I could not ...

Kuzichev: How?

Ashmanov: Well, the spammers from the mass of companies.

Kuzichev: Oh, I see.

Ashmanov: They graze on every party, say, and take there kids just ended, the strongest. That is, people actually go to work in the office, where doing some dirty business, so it is not surprising.

Kuzichev: Friends, here I heeded the call, at least one person, Vladimir Barnaul wants to join us in the debate. Vladimir, just try something like that quickly.

Listener: I'll try. Although the theme is very interesting.

Ashmanov: Not a word!

Listener: Good evening to you all. I would like to argue about the negative PR of our Church. That is, how to tell if a short excursion into history, at one time in Soviet Russia, about 70 percent of the Fathers were the NKVD.

Ashmanov: Where are you from this? This is how do we know?

Listener: Well, let's say, from his grandfather, the old employee.

Ashmanov: In my opinion, this is bullshit.

Listener: Again, in the Soviet time, the church began to gather people with higher education around. That is, I do not think that the church itself helpless and foolish in this regard. As well, I think she can be in terms of pushing the what? That's how it was recently on the short skirts or is there something that is it create a buzz around it. I admit that these nonexistent thrower girls or boys may be on the opposite side. You can also say that the star of the Communist, as there sounded quite a long association with Christ, and then the politician in the country, for example, there is the same as about communism.

Kuzichev: second, you're in a heap not bring down. As for the boys and girls on the other hand, there's now a virtual you as Igor's shoulder and put his arm around the eyes, you know, such a look, and he had gray eyes, piercing eyes, and said to the old man, this is war, this is war, man! Yes?

Ashmanov: Well, sort of.

Listener: Why not?

Ashmanov: No, I want to tell others that if you go into the conspiracy, then we can decide what is a girl to throw in the Church, that at the noise, then the Church, on the contrary, looked pursued. Or is it a throw in girls from Berezovsky, so we thought it was a throw in the girls from the church. Or is it a throw in the girls from the church, so we thought it was a girl ... There is endless.

Savelyev: And vice versa.

Ashmanov: Yes, and vice versa, yes.

POLES: This is called recurrence.

Listener: I interrupted. I believe that it is high time about Berezovsky long forgotten. About him, in my opinion, but I remember Moscow.

Savelyev: Well, you see, and he does not let us forget about ourselves.

Kuzichev: And at least in London.

Ashmanov: At least London. Abramovich remembers who is suing him there.

Kuzichev: Many remember, yes.

Ashmanov: If he's here injects money, remembered by many. Just as Khodorkovsky and money, of course, there are injected in defense of Khodorkovsky and so on. The money is still coming here, and dissolve in the media buying "jeans" and everything else.

Pole: And tell me about the technology that's counter-propaganda.

Ashmanov: There are the same as propaganda, she just sent in another vector.

POLES: Well, how does it work?

Kuzichev: This is a hypothesis.

POLES: In what sense?

Kuzichev: And you ran, as if he is the counter-propaganda.

POLES: Who? I counter-propaganda. But wait, if there is an attack on the Church, the Church must defend.

Kuzichev: And, in this sense. I just do not understand you.

POLES: Sure.

Ashmanov: See, I think that the Church is not able to defend themselves, because it ... Just imagine that you are walking on the street, and you are attacked three Gopnik, beaten or raped your girlfriend there and so on. So you have decided that the next time this will not happen again, and start to walk to the gym, swing, learn martial arts, and eventually you'll be able to get there in person to scatter five pals, to fill them all face. In fact, at this point you, in general, already heavily are no different, I think, because the whole day thinking only about the violence. But also, most likely, even in this situation you find Gopnik with the pipe, which still make you on the head. The fact that the villains always wider arsenal. You can not, the same church can not use the same means. For example, she can not think of a defamatory message and its wildly spread, well, do not be!

Kuzichev: It can not. But there's Lech!

POLES: Aha-n-th!

Kuzichev: It suddenly occurred to me. Well, okay ...

POLES: No, well, especially if funds are limited, how to act to people that are ... not necessarily the Church, because the same can attack not only on them.

Ashmanov: No, well, look, the Church there was an interesting story in the sense of opposition, it has caused quite a furious reaction from the opponents. This is the first - was read from the pulpit appeal. Incidentally, I went there children Communion, but we dostoyali before, we do not know what will be there, and left the cafe. And then there was the godfather of one of our girls, and said his eyes were round, that score? Message that the Church is an attack called orthodox fixed, take heart and unifying. Then there are a couple of weeks was this state of prayer at the temple. So, when we talked to this my friend, the godfather of my daughter, he had this to say that, well, it is clear that this one tool, it would seem so soft it in the sense of exposure to flock far more intense because the priest those who came to him, and who had daily communion and confession, they trust a lot more than any media. It has its own tools, they are different. They are related to the fact that the church has an intimate relationship with the spiritual flock.

Kuzichev: Yes. But in a sense, as if to say, size and scale, you know, it is not comparable in efficiency.

Ashmanov: No, whichever is effective. In terms of the interaction force with the flock, of course, the church is stronger tool.

Kuzichev: Sure.

Ashmanov: In terms of the external image and that the fight against external blacken her almost no tools. What to do? Look, I have one friend said, well, what is going on this Patra what he doeth? He wrote somewhere Feysbuke. I say, and what he is doing? - Well, he is silent, says nothing, pretending that it is not the court. Like him, the bastard, can generally be silent?

POLES: About «Pussy Riot».

Ashmanov: Yes. So, then, if he is silent - is bad. God forbid if he says something, rises even more scandal, right?

Kuzichev: Yes.

Ashmanov: Immediately garbled quotations, then: How dare he say that? That is, in fact, do have to understand that with slander, but if you're dealing with slander, to fight pretty hard. Slander - quite unmistakable tool, and it is difficult to wash off.

Kuzichev: Absolutely. And, as it were, to a certain formula, a half-joking mechanism of this work, it is very accurately described, though she half-jokingly, about the fact that they found a spoon-and osadochek, friends, stayed. Nothing you do not uncheck it, in any way, even the "Comet." So, we have Yuri from Ryazan. Ask a question shortly.

Listener: Hello. I first of all want to say that I was just working in the field of information technology and fully support the view of Igor on the surge of information and information warfare. The point of view of Igor very close to me on this.

Kuzichev: A close in the sense conceptually or, so to say, empirically?

























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Thank you.

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Сообщение от alexvadim; 2267911"

to the project - not, of course, and old picture , but the idea is in the air .

Why want to attach a picture to this strange topic? Is the idea made ​​? ... Or association ? ...
We would like to hear from ... ( I write - erase , write - erase : Respect - a journalist - a person whose opinion I wonder, and so in general something like this ... )
Where draft Gelman.

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Сообщение от Maroussia, 2267951

Where draft Gelman.

Gelman - political consultant vobschemto.
True, it prof.
circles do not recognize, but it has its own niche - an art type.

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I added the question in relation to the stated theme.
Topic interests me, not Gelman ....

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Gelman has no relation to any of the exhibition "Spiritual Combat", not even by the gallery Gelman.