"Jesus Christ in a crown of thorns," after Guido Reni

[Art-lover]

Thank you, Amateur, with very interesting information. Unfortunately, illustrated catalog of the DW I have not.
Below (pict.5) - reproduction of one of the options are in Dresden Christ Renee - this is not the depth, breadth and themes.

Voiced in the 1 st post "is not found on the net this variant pattern" remains in force: means a special expression of the image of Christ, higher than the Dresden version, slightly different facial expression and a distinctive flavor. If this is an independent interpretation of the author's work, it can not be attributed to the number of failures.

And although the main prototype is found, however, questions remain.
1. Typically, a copyist to follow the exact original. A good copy is always more valuable than a mediocre variation. Suppose our copyist worked in Dresden. Then why he retreated from the "canon"? If the problem came from the curves of the hands, then we would have on one canvas at once, and a bad copy and bad picture. But the picture does not look bad, and the retreat from the original do not affect him and may even be regarded as a contribution to the iconography of the plot.
2. If an artist - an Italian, could it be he has sufficient motivation for the trip to Dresden with that of Renee can be copied to the native penates?
In July 2008, at Christie's auction was sold to a picture of Reni, which has similarities to the missing Dresden - http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...jectID=5101816. Maybe in the 19 th century in Italy were known copies, which are closer to the Dresden version, and was the inspiration?
You can not, probably, quite exclude such an option: Italian painter, having the prints or hand copies of the Dresden recension, used as materials for the work on creating its own version of the picture by Guido Reni, located in Italy. On one site I came across the English belief that the iconography of the mass of printed materials, dating back to the Ecce Homo Renee, had an impact and a picture of his contemporary, Guercino (see Burst number 6).

(Redbor, like every other person you are, of course, right now dated the 2 nd half of 20c. And even the beginning of February 2011.)) Such a hypothesis I will not comment: paroxysm of skepticism in the antique business treated only by X-ray, ultraviolet, and chemistry. )) My problem - as far as possible to clarify the situation and help the owners determine the prospects of working with this picture. If I did not know them as decent people only, then there would not be the topic. Let me remind you that the picture was the recent restoration, the aim of which was not old, and refresh the canvas.)

In every application - to spread the scope of the topic - bring some versions of the story "Behold the Man" painted by Renee and some of his followers

#1 & 2: Guido Reni. Ecce Homo (picture and detail) from the Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica Rome, Italy.
#3 - Guido Reni. Jesus in a crown of thorns. El Escorial, Spain. (Real Monastero de San Lorenzo, El Escorial).
#4 - Guido Reni. Jesus in a crown of thorns. (Painting, sold at Christie's auction in 2008).
#5 - Guido Reni. Jesus in a crown of thorns. Ca. 1636-1637. Dresden, Gemaldegalerie Alte Meister, Staatliche Kunstsammlungen.
#6 - Guido Reni. Ecce Homo, ca. 1639. The Fitzwilliam Museum, UK.
#7 - Guercino. Ecce homo. Munich, Alte Pinakothek.
#8 - Jesus, crowned with thorns. By Guido Reni. London's National Gallery.

Here is also 2 links to the results of sales of paintings from imitations Reni.
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/l...jectID=5279221
http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...jectID=5294428

And yet the question remains. Should I advise the owners of the picture is spent on examination of the picture? Suppose the conclusion will determine the mid-19 th century. Significantly if the price of this canvas will exceed the cost of expert opinion? On what criteria, precedents, analogies can rely on in the evaluation?

[redbor]

Сообщение от "Art-lover

paroxysm of skepticism in the antique business is treated only by X-ray, ultraviolet, and chemistry

Yes, of course.

But, looking at the fresh paint and new painting in the photo, it is unlikely anyone will think of the 19 th century ...

While I certainly believe you said that the painting was brought from Italy in 1860