Is it possible to create and develop the art market without kommodifikatsii art?

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

And if this is a gallery owner (a little preukrashaya reality ) - the buyer the impression that it was possible to get on the case ... And the fact that the price is below - has influence ...

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If the price is much higher than it was not so long ago (regular customers, they remember the price) - no legend will not help.
Some increase is possible. But then the show should be in the Guggenheim Museum

And in the information about the artist my line "works are in private collections in Russia and abroad" is not inspiring.

In contrast to the line "... are in museums in Russia /continue enumeration /abroad /further transfer of foreign museums or is well-known galleries. And the first half of the lines about the well-known profile (ie, not local history), Russia's museums inspires me much more .
That is, we live not that much at all without the authority and guidance

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Konstantin

Pavel you have to explain to us who cry all the time, with his idea of auctions? The State, as I understand it? But why are you trying to dokrichatsya to state here, in each subject? This is the mania.
If you are applying to business, but he will not hear it means a poorly formulated a business plan or idea is not working.

Because the site is called "Investing in art", as I understand it is an attachment or buying or investing in art. All this is impossible without a mechanism for the return of investment. I draw your attention to this mechanism, which is long and suspehom exists in France and poznolyaet large number of bourgeois (I know examples) to increase his fortune, and without which no development of the arts. That's all.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Veronic

But if the artist would not say that it is sold in other countries, it will automatically reduce its price and in their own market. And anyway, I do not understand why an artist should conceal that he was in demand in other countries? I have only one version .... so his pictures in the lower price through the floor in their own homeland?

I will tell you as a person who buys rather than sells. Personally I am a legend from the lips of the artist and his family are not impressive. It's more like getting your price. When buying, I only trust my taste, knowledge of the market and price. If the work offered me to buy - like the price comfortable and commensurate with the quality, it is certainly better to possess information about the artist, his ratings, and prices in different markets. But if you do I'll be a job offer at a price, say Paris, I buy and when. some very liked work. But it is, so to speak. individual variations. If prodvilat artist in our market and try to sell on the "order" prices, then this idea, so to speak, stillbirths. If there is a desire to promote, then gotovtes a new market to the conditions of this particular market. There's nothing to be done.

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Сообщение от Pavel

That's all.

It would be nice, so that was all. And it is already set on edge by the notorious Drouot auction. Our internal features are such that at auctions acquiring a work of those who are not going to implement them with grease. Do not expect broth for them. If you see yourself in our auctions, you understand what's going on targeted purchase or sale "of its own product, or individual vagrants ... never heard of (maybe I'm something I do not know) that we were selling the collection at auction.

[Peter]

Сообщение от Veronic

I think that Paul wants someone to this matter organized in order to ensure the pictures a second life.

The idea, advocated by Paul in itself is not bad, besides, she works in a particular country (like France), it has its own historical traditions, where it is justified, there rynok.Ya would say that there is one of the centers of international trade products iskusstva.A who and what will be buying from us in 15 rooms with trading sessions in a day.? It simply bring down rynok.Tseny the artists will not rise and fall zamertvo.Biznes and artists and so much poteryayut.Rynok tosses barely . And can you imagine "Drouot" in "every town." We do not have yet the objective conditions for such a tool rynka.Dlya it needs a huge spros.A this universal dream of a bright (like communism). I would also like to provide pictures of the second life, and third, and fourth ... etc.

[Marta]

Do you think that the work can not buy just because she likes it incomprehensible how something fits, in harmony with the inner world of the "buyer." Frankly, if I absolutely did not believe in it, then do not even know, remained Would a freelance artist ...

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Marta

Did you read that the work can not buy just because she likes it incomprehensible how something fits, in harmony with the inner world of the "buyer." Frankly, if I absolutely did not believe in it then do not even know whether to remain independent artist ...

Konechno mogut, i konechno pokupaiut, no eto ne iavliaetsia rynochnoi kategoriei. Rynok trebuet postoiannyh prodaz i pereprodaz, togda povyshaetsia likvidnost '.

U menia est 'primer s tsenami tam i tut. Odna moia hudoznitsa (tseny v Au $ 5-7 tysiach) popala v Singapurskuiu galereiu, i oni prodali neskol'ko rabot za 20-30 tys $. Mestnyi (Au) rynok eti tseny ne podderzivaet. Prishlos' dogovarivat'sia v Singapure na snizenie tse. V internete ee raboty mozno naiti. U pokupatelei mozet vozniknut 'konflikt - poetomu tseny byli privedeny k obschemu znamenateliu.

[Marta]

I did not inclined to compare the artist's image with the image of an angel. It is understandable that an artist has a number of household needs, as all normal people. And how many of them either miniminiziruy, but they still are. Moreover, even the cost of materials. But what about the artist, if he has what he wants to talk, but "market sales, resales and liquidity demands of him, if so frankly, without exaggeration, prisobleniya. I did not even take the liberty to judge it good or bad, as it still is. But so, within the market and at the same time - beyond. What to do? Personally, I invented the formula for himself - first, to believe, and secondly, to look exactly the place where you will perceive the most. But, there is no single answer.
Incidentally, in this regard, I am very interested in national markets, especially the arts. But while the answers on this forum, I have not.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Marta

Incidentally, in this regard, I am very interested in national markets, especially the arts. But while the answers on this forum, I could not find.

A v chiom vopros? Kakie osobennosti vas interesuiut?

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Buscador

I'll tell you as a person who buys, not sells. Personally I am a legend from the lips of the artist and his family are not impressive.

Legends is something that is not documented.

And of course, it is abnormal, when the artist is trying all the prices of their work to equalize in all markets. This can never be achieved. Therefore, the price, of course, must comply with the time, buyers and the market. If an artist these things will not comply then and will not be sold. But if the sale - its purpose.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Veronic

And of course, it is abnormal, when the artist is trying all the prices of their work to equalize in all markets. This can never be achieved. Therefore, the price, of course, must comply with the time, buyers and the market.

Voobsche-to, s opredelionnogo urovnia eto normal'no. V plane investitsii, tak dolzno byt '. Primer: aktsii Koka - koly stoiat odinakovo vo vseh stranah.

Ochen 'nebol'shoe kolichestvo hudoznikov, vernee, ih kartin prodaiutsia odinakovo na vseh rynkah.

Otchasti eto zasluga mezdunarodnyh auktsionnyh domov.

A inache mozet poluchit'sia, kak v moiom primere s Singapurom.

Esli ia mogu kupit 'takuiu ze kartinu v USA na $ 5,000 deshevle, zachem mne ee pokupat' v Koree? Dostavku mozno organizovat 'do $ 1,000, chistyi vyigrysh $ 4,000.

Tsena dolzna byt 'sootvetstvuiuschei naibol'shemu rynku. Esli vy v Koree prodaiote 300 kartin v god, av USA 10 - tseny dolzny byt 'adaptirovany k Koree, esli tol'ko eto ne sluchai spetsial'noi raskrutki. Takie mehanizmy est '.