Art totalitarian

[Евгений]

Сообщение от LCR

and socialist realism in some bullshit - 95%, and absolutely true

You're right, but I think it's more to treat nonconformist where 95%of the apparent bullshit (and also quite true)

Cyril Syzransky, So pull up the text is not necessary ... With these words, I supported the statement by the distinguished qwerty, when he wrote about the questionable work - "Exter likely a fake."

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Eugene

The report from LCR
and socialist realism in some bullshit - 95%, and completely true

You're right, but I think it's more to treat nonconformist ..

And interesting that you say about lots of the auction of contemporary art at Sovkome 19.11?
http://artinvestment.ru/news/auctnews/20081114_tyukhtin.
How many "bullshit"?

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I wonder what you say about lots of the auction

I am an expert on the "vanguard", a joke, look, then skazhu.Segodnya is not interesting to write .. what a boring people on the forum, irritable ...

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And in general I like this experiment a comparison of sales "triple" cologne in the village store with sales of cognac in the capital OX wine boutique.

Excellent comparison! I agree to take part in this dispute \ experiment. Taken into account sales statistics for three years and only in the Russian Auction! So to say closer to the "triple" eau de cologne The auction house Phillips is located outside Russia, and because the dispute did not accept. On our side, only the Russian socialist realism - with your Russian avant-garde, non-conformism, modern authors do not pishushiy in realism. Let the abstract will postsuprematizm, various installations and other-isms. Stress - contemporaries of the realists (Shilov, Glazunov, Tikhomirov, Žilina, "Vladimirskaya school", etc.) are disregarded. Tsereteli can take yourself Socialist era ended in 1990, but let our party take part in the work written before 1970.
But however much we would argue still win Abramovich with his Bacon

[LCR]

Сообщение от SergeiSK

is taken into account sales statistics for three years and only on the Russian Auction! So to say closer to the "triple" eau de cologne The auction house Phillips is located outside Russia, and because the dispute did not accept. On our side, only the Russian socialist realism - with your Russian avant-garde, non-conformism, modern authors do not pishushiy in realism. Let the abstract will postsuprematizm, various installations and other-isms. Stress - contemporaries of the realists (Shilov, Glazunov, Tikhomirov, Žilina, "Vladimirskaya school", etc.) are disregarded. Tsereteli can take yourself Socialist era ended in 1990, but let our party take part in the work written before 1970.

Well, well, a sense of justice among you, Sergei! "He gave me - a brick, then I have it - the newspaper

P.S. Tsereteli leave yourself - in your team, he looks more organic.

P.P.S. I considered not going, I know what kind of work: I once during the year led the daily statistics of their stock gains - gemogolovnaya pain ensured: shy:

[Meister]

SergeiSK, do not read what I write? Why are you so afraid of Western auctions and how they differ from Russian?

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Сообщение от Meister

why are you so afraid of Western auctions and how they differ from Russian?

Perhaps the fact that the western sell the masterpieces, but in our (our?) With a pair of trash-three top lots of local importance.

[sss]

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SergeiSK: After all I conclude the dispute. All ... I think once again the dispute meaningless. -------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- --------
I was told they stop fighting, while they themselves ran for patrons (for examples)? 8)

Better had no nihhh. You, as warned, the picture was removed, but I managed to see them, because let me speak.
Here and agreed to the absurd - the great tradition of the great schools illustrate the titles: "All authors of the popular, well-deserved and so on, and pictures of themselves ...
Do you really think that the "Firefighter" - is good? I'm not talking about the muzzle face, but about painting ... What's wrong with that "work has a collector and museum value and can be creative ... in museum collections? In my opinion, was terrible ... the red-green ...
"Russian field" ... a quality painting, in his time, hung in the shabby rural clubs across the country, in nemerenom number. She remembered the academic motto: "more dirt - more communication; third-work is interesting only because the name and only because of 1940. What kind of infusion into the global culture we are talking about?
Nalbandian, agree with Eugene, it turns out the best in any case, made strong, worthy of the school.
The girl was left without comment, it has something with legs (though perhaps a photographic deception) ...

So, not all of them were able to better nonconformists. 8)

Sorry, this is just my subjective opinion.
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nikola: Yes, there were many masters. Learn painting was who. Those zakonchilv '40s and '60s, all beautifully painted, boldly and competently written.
Must add, it is surprising educated, intelligent people.
What they are deep, not superficial. Apparently in the works of all
present.
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At the expense of surprise educated and intelligent, you are hot. Among them were a number of cannibals (with many of their followers knew personally).
Even without any ideological motive, purely artistic: "academic realism" does not tolerate the slightest willful interpretation, considering it (treatment of) a crime against himself.

Your selection (p. 11) shows, in addition to literacy drawing and bold letters, an interesting trend - so handsome, paint and will paint kilometers. Who impersonal interesting demonstration of skill for skill? Where Petrov-Vodkin?
In a school textbook, it seems to re-lit or history, really hate myself wounded Commissioner, but really liked the way it is written. Championed by himself. Won painting. And here, sorry, that should win? Love for vasts? So her, and so abundant ...
Look at the work of the Middle School, where pictures are more interesting, you know why? Because it taught the "formalists", those who do not fit into the system and was banished to the outskirts of the empire, away from the capital.

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от sss

Better had no nihhh. You, as warned, the picture was removed, but I managed to see them, because let me speak.

I am quite adequately perceive any well-deserved criticism, but I want to note that at this site, I am one of the few who showed work from his collection, not reproductions from the Internet. Surely if I wanted, it did not result in a masterpiece example of social realism? So what you said - this is for a separate discussion of any of my work. And I still do not show everything The dispute is global, but not confined to someone's individual collections. Somehow, no one here has not shown its nonconformists. Either they do not exist, or that level.

Сообщение от sss

was terrible ... the red-green ...

We can compare horror Tsalkova. In the same color scheme.

Сообщение от sss

Look at the work of the Middle School

Do you think present a picture not a "kilometer"? Apart from the Central Asian exotic, they are banal.

Сообщение от Meister

SergeiSK, do not read what I write? Why are you so afraid of Western auctions and how they differ from Russian?

Well, we, as befits the debaters do not understand each other
On the first page of the site http://artinvestment.ru/ is a top 12 Russian artists. All their works were sold on the Western auctions. And you want me to compete with socialist realism, with sales of Sotheby's and Christie's? Probably better to find out how well everything is sold in Russia, the Motherland and your and our artists. We will see that he loves the middle class

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I guess the fact that the western sell the masterpieces, but on our (our?) With a pair of trash-three top lots of local importance.

It should just be able to buy. The purchased by me on the bed Gelos allegedly Savrasov $ 500 (although they are written as always - the authorship of the signature that is "under the" Savrasov, etc.) in a really proved to be a pastel Savrasov View in the Novodevichy Monastery. Authorship has been confirmed Grabar. And now she goes to Moscow for $ 40000. Do you often buy the masterpieces in the West? I rarely, because expensive.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от SergeiSK

Aside from the Central Asian exoticism, they are banal.

Here, of course not agree ....

Сообщение от sss

Look at the work of the Middle School, there will be more interesting pictures, you know why? Because it taught the "formalists", those who do not fit into the system and was banished to the outskirts of the empire, away from the capital.

All right, interesting layer of traditional Russian painting in Uzbekistan ... "formalists" in Uzbekistan, a good school in 20-30 years in Petersburg AK at Makovsky, Roerich, Belibina, Roubaud, in the Moscow Higher Art, then this knowledge peredovali dozens of students here ... and quality painting ...
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Сообщение от SergeiSK

I suppose to know better how well everything is sold in Russia, the Motherland and your and our artists. We will see that he loves the middle class

It is necessary and useful for collectors, art dealers information .. Here at the forum, she wondered at least 90%of visitors.