How to unleash the artist

[Fed]

Сообщение от artcol

crisis, the prices here specifically to do with it

Who war who your own mother. An example - recently got a lot of different icons on zdravomyslenym prices. Before the 1200 euros worth several days.

 About the gallery agrees, straining not only the staff (at the market, shops are professional traders), but also the price. And not the price, and the approach-Oh! This artist Pupkin, a very famous, he had exhibitions abroad, work in private collections (familiar?). Therefore the price ...- 3000, but for you (when you do not you come 2 weeks) for 2.
Outside the field of his fame of course no one had guessed. And the "common collector" raises the question of what 3000?

  I have the opinion that this manner of trading associated with the presence of "difficult gatherers." Leaves usually from Lexus SUV and he needs a gift for 2 hours or a couple of pictures in the color "(not kidding). The amount of money usually does not matter.
  Such a plan buyers propped picture in the mass involved, in fact, not understood by trade, and thus a kind of divorce, maybe you are lucky.

[fabosch]

Сообщение от iside

I do not know how about negligible, may be so. Just most of life is that it is not up to painting or to the public. Not for little money, not for long, nor as a gift.
And another part of the population does not need to buy paintings, and the place is on the wall, and have money and need not. Ie kind of like the idea of having a nice picture of the apartment like it, but no steps for this are not taken.
Because you have to know where and how to buy, any benchmarks should be, go there on such a day there will be an exhibition - it is not. Ie it is, but again, for people who are already in the field of art. I recall that Constantine was surprised to find somewhere he talked with the artists - they are even about this site is not heard, but 90%of the population has heard about artnau, to say nothing about the picture that only a simple scare Novice collectors their prices.

I absolutely agree with iside. Visual Arts - is, in essence, a very elite field. And it is for people "is not about" standing on the last or penultimate place in a long series of different arts one way or another brightened everyday existence, somewhere close to poetry. And communication skills with both reduced to Pushkin and Shishkin. What is already here collecting ... Hence the general ignorance. Most people are much more versed in film, music, literature (or, at least, more often confronted with them) than even in classical painting.
So take some getting used to the fact that we - the marginalized. And as collectors - just sick people, they should be treated

[I-V]

Сообщение от fabosch; 1342001"

I absolutely agree with iside. Visual Arts - is, in essence, a very elite field. And it is for people "is not about" standing on the last or penultimate place in a long series of different arts one way or another brightened everyday existence, somewhere close to poetry. And communication skills with both reduced to Pushkin and Shishkin. What is already here collecting ... Hence the general ignorance. Most people are much more versed in film, music, literature (or, at least, more often confronted with them) than even in the classical painting

And here there is a very important, in my opinion, a question: Does there exist in our country, high-quality, powerful and, above all, demanded an art critic? And the market is creating it, or did it must create the market?

As for literature, the situation is better. People, one way or another, listen to the critics, often correlate with their readers a choice. The same with the theater, with movies, music. But as art, everything is more complicated. Yes, of course, after reading about the large-scale exhibition anywhere in the Tretyakov Gallery and Pushkin Museum. Pushkin, people will rush to it. But here, rather, runs the name of the museum and all the long-recognized artist. And what about the little-known artists, those who are not at the hearing? The more modern, "not time-tested"? But they are the majority and they largely form the art market. About them - the silence, and if and where their names come up, then the market turns to him a terrible Bazarno-fartsovochnoy party that hoped that soon the art of these artists will be the subject of serious discussion, does not have to.

[fabosch]

Сообщение от IV

And here there is a very important, in my opinion, a question: Does there exist in our country, high-quality, powerful and, above all, demanded an art critic? And the market is creating it, or did it must create the market?

What about critics clearly can not say. It seems that it is, and apparently it's not. Qualitative whether it ... Yes there is any ... Influential ... Rather no than yes. Of course, critics and the market should exist in a dialectical unity (in the Hegelian sense), yet in this dyad is primary market in the broadest sense, including not only consumers but also the spectators, fans, etc. Because of the latter still negligible, and that's the appropriate market, and criticism too
Although not all so sad, yet some progress has

[I-V]

In general, it would be interesting if someone from the experts took the points and compare our art market with the West. Roughly speaking, in a column, for clarity. Remember, like Robinson Crusoe: good /bad

It seems to me that in the column of the western market, such an item as a "critic" would have found himself in front of the dash

[fabosch]

Сообщение от IV

Actually, it would be interesting if someone from the experts took the points and compare our art market with the West. Roughly speaking, in a column, for clarity. Remember, like Robinson Crusoe: good /bad

You know, as far as I'm concerned, the comparison is still meaningless. We simply do not mogih component of the development of the art market, more precisely, the entire associated infrastructure in the form of various commercial and non-profit institutions serving the whole process of circulation of artistic values. Well, or they are, but in infancy or in an ugly way.
And until it has two key provisions, and this will not happen.
A simple conditions.
!. Solvency of the masses.
2. The inclusion of art into the sphere of everyday culture of most of the masses.

Сообщение от IV

It seems to me that in the column of the western market, such an item as a "critic" would have found himself in front of the dash

Criticism of them, of course, there is. Just most of the critics are engaged directly, that is built into the market infrastructure.
And we have much more criticism (lingered on owls. Times) than you need this most rudimentary infrastructure.

[I-V]

Сообщение от fabosch; 1342111"

A simple conditions.
!. Solvency of the masses.
2. The inclusion of art into the sphere of everyday culture of most of the masses.

And in those layers, which can already be called a solvent, there is a real interest in the visual arts? The fact that many wealthy people appear on the high-profile film premieres - is known. On the international book fair pronounced policy, although well-known entrepreneurs have a lot less. Understandably, of course, that politicians should look like bookworms, they shine at the first showing of "Spiderman" not-to-face. But here at the opening ceremony Levitan, for example, whether someone of them, I mean our business? How important is our elite itself, art, apart from the prestigious auctions and related sales results?

With regard to the exhibition Levitan, the question is, of course, more to the Muscovites and those who were at the opening

[fabosch]

Сообщение от IV

And in those layers, which can already be called a solvent, there is a real interest in the visual arts? The fact that many wealthy people appear on the high-profile film premieres - is known. On the international book fair pronounced policy, although well-known entrepreneurs have a lot less. Understandably, of course, that politicians should look like bookworms, they shine at the first showing of "Spiderman" not-to-face. But here at the opening ceremony Levitan, for example, whether someone of them, I mean our business? How important is our elite itself, art, apart from the prestigious auctions and related sales results?

With regard to the exhibition Levitan, the question is, of course, more to the Muscovites and those who were at the opening

Known for a number of wealthy collectors (wrong most famous - Abramovich, Aven ... I do not know though, like Abramovich, and Ebenezer are interested in this quite seriously and has its own taste and predilections), but again it is a drop in the overall sea. I think that the percentage of collectors among the rich people are not more than the percentage of people interested in art (not necessarily buying), among the ordinary Russian citizens.

[I-V]

Сообщение от fabosch; 1342131"

We know a number of wealthy collectors (wrong most famous - Abramovich, Aven ...

Abramovich is known to be associated with the West, and there businesses this level is impossible without it. It's like golf. However, it is common place.

But here, by the way, it turns out is this: if Russia can be divided into golf courses and roam on them in a jumper, scoring on the shoulder of the stick, then do art so as not to look at this stupid - much harder. There is not enough to book 20 trucks with lawns and 10 elektoromobiley from England.
Those who tried to swoop to master this region - broken off teeth. Or were these meetings, which look and something terrible, or for big money have bought fakes. Probably, after this many simply cooled and calmed down? And do not risk more tread on shaky ground of art? However, without an investment in art, "Capitalism can not exist. But only because without the art itself can not exist a civilized society. But precisely such a society creates and maintains a healthy capitalism, based on - fair competition. So, in my opinion, it is necessary to deal with priorities first. Otherwise, and shall build a house from the roof, until, by the way, until it finally would not go

[Fed]

Сообщение от fabosch

We just do not mogih component of the development of the art market,
And until it has two key provisions, and this will not happen.
A simple conditions.
!. Solvency of the masses.

The problem is not the solvency of the masses, but in the inflated expectations of artists and vendors. Which nafantazirovali on a 3-year boom and can not be quiet.
   The average salary in Switzerland, Germany about 3400 euros. Over half can buy a good picture. That and buying.
  By analogy, in Russia a good price should be 250 euros in Ukraine-200. A lot of you have seen these prices? Therefore, there is no trade.
   Incidentally, the 200 is selling well.
And about the "2. Inclusion of art in the sphere of everyday culture of most of the masses." Masses are not as stupid as they seem - they are angling for pictures on the cheap, I do not remember a friend who would not have hung a picture or an icon. And do not forget prints on canvas - they frame half that cost. And the work of the famous luxury.