Case of "pornography" in PinchukArtCentre

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Sim

The debate seems to have faded away, never going out of the emotional framework (in the sense of categorical apparatus ).
I remember, 100 years ago, my friend came from Poland (may be during martial law, Jaruzelski, Solidarity, and so on). Ie in troubled times. She said that she saw on the wall in Krakow in a fairly public place with the inscription "Polonia - whore. We do then was amazing, but we then realized that this is a symptom of a social syndrome. In contrast to the discussion photos (convinced that the symptom of the same syndrome, as semantically - the same thing) the emotion is expressed verbally, and not figuratively. There should be treated no symptoms and syndromes, ie, conscious mind the circumstances of its social, political reality and learn to experience these circumstances with dignity, without any incidents or at least not participating in the excesses. Ie I'm what all this is set forth? And the fact that we should try to realistically analyze their deystvitelnst and see objectively, "whore" or not. And then you have somehow always the artist's fault. This is a bad symptom when the society instead of at yourself in the mirror to see the artist's fault.
Still there are some considerations of psychoanalytic character, but more on that later (maybe, see how the discussion turns).
Shl any country specifically do not want to offend. I hope, will understand correctly.

Imagine, this is every need to repeat this explanation
Imagine "The Dance" by Matisse, there must be something is explained? So much for the distinction of art and provocation. Then these shtuchka and recall will not be branded in one word and all

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Сообщение от Vladimir

Bar to the question of the status of the artist and the situation Bratkov in contemporary art. In early March, "garage" (Daria Zhukova's Center) will be the exhibition "futurology" and "Utopia". Very good selection of personalities. And in "futurology" engaged Bratkov.

"Garage" minus Abramovich is just a garage.

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Sim

The debate seems to have faded away, never going out of the emotional framework (in the sense of categorical apparatus).
I remember, 100 years ago, my friend came from Poland (may be during martial law, Jaruzelski, Solidarity, and so on). Ie in troubled times. She said that she saw on the wall in Krakow in a fairly public place with the inscription "Polonia - whore. We do then was amazing, but we then realized that this is a symptom of of a social syndrome. In contrast to the discussion photos (convinced that a symptom of the same syndrome, as semantically - the same thing) emotion expressed verbally, not figurative. Here we have to treat not the symptoms and syndromes, ie aware of the circumstances of his mind social, political reality and learn from experience these circumstances with dignity, without excesses, or at least not participating in the excesses. Ie I'm what all this is set forth? And the fact that we should try to realistically analyze their deystvitelnst and see objectively, "whore" or not. And then you have somehow always the artist's fault. This is a bad symptom when the society instead of at yourself in the mirror to see the artist's fault.
Still there are some considerations of psychoanalytic character, but more on that later (maybe, see how the discussion turns).
Shl any country specifically do not want to offend. I hope, will understand correctly.

Presented to you, Shima, near here in Pinchuk Arttsentre with such a fiery speech

and reviews have brought here from one of the forums

"The people I looked up an exhibition in arttsentre Pinchuk Russia's artist Sergei Bratkov entitled" Ukraine ". This is the first solo exhibition of Moscow artists in Kiev. Before opening the exhibition, he has traveled all over Ukraine and was shocked by what he saw. Ukraine - over-ripe fruit, to take in hand and it burst, will be spread in your hands, "said Bratkov. What is the exhibition? In the center of a panoramic photograph titled" Vagina is our motherland. "This is a picture Ukrainian girls in national dress and wreath lying on the ground with moved apart legs and fly on an intimate place.
This is the opinion of the author, and there is a new economic and industrial power, the new Ukrainian generation. Here such here it is Our Ukraine, the eyes of a foreigner living in Russia, with Kharkov roots and mentality of the Moth.
Then all long and well known to all: the blast furnaces, pipes, poor old women, women with hunted eyes, chaos and filth, processions, Poplawski, beautiful landscapes and Poltava Khortytsya, wretchedness of Donbass. Mass of panoramic images, photo collages, videos. Immediately from the old shows and blog Chikatilo, and children's corner from the series "Children were playing in the Gestapo", pedophilia, children, installation "Eurohotel" - old Zaporozhets converted into a bed for a brothel. "




"And if the opposite?
 
The people I looked up the exhibition in arttsentre Abramovich Ukrainian artist Mykola Pahanenko called "Russia". This is the first solo exhibition of the Kiev artist in Moscow. Before opening the exhibition, he has traveled all over Russia and was shocked by what he saw. Russia - rotten fruit, which even pick up the nasty, said Pahanenko. What is the exhibition? In the center of a panoramic photograph titled "Member - our Fatherland". This is a picture of drunken Russian peasant in national dress and with an open fly, lying on the ground with his legs wide apart and a cockroach on the dignity of this type.
This is the opinion of the author, and there is a new economic and industrial power, Russia's new generation. Here such here it is our Russia, through the eyes of an alien living in Ukraine, with the Voronezh roots and mentality of the Moth.
Then all long and well known to all: the blast furnaces, pipes, poor old women, women with hunted eyes, chaos and filth, processions, Mosaic, etc.
 
P.S. Rhetorical question. Is such a show in Russia? "

[NATA NOVA]

Veronic, in Ukraine now has books in school children have?

[Veronic]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Veronic, in Ukraine now textbooks in school children have?

like to eat, but they should buy, and I'm even afraid to think that in these textbooks.

[Marta]

Сообщение от Veronic

A rhetorical question. Is such a show in Russia? "

I do not know, as in Russia. But the Bulgarians for the toilet as a symbol of the country to install the Czech sculptor in the European Parliament were offended. Despite the merits of personalities. I can imagine what would have seethed with passion, if it was something like that. In this case, location photographer in the hierarchy does not a plus.

[Тютчев]

In Vienna, the museum staged a swinger club

Museum of the Vienna Secession gave one of its premises swinger-club Element6, reports Associated Press. This happened in the project of Swiss artist Christoph Büchel (Christoph Buechel). He said that trying to provoke a public scandal, comparable to the scandal, which went around the cycle of works by Gustav Klimt's "Beethoven Frieze" in 1902.
Visitors who want to see the work of Klimt, go through the club. Samih swingers day there does not happen, but the museum visitors can see the rest in the hall mattresses, erotic images, various devices, as well as a bar and a Jacuzzi. According to Reuters, club is also equipped with a dance floor and a special room for followers sadomasochism. Representatives of the club stated that this experiment will help many people overcome their complexes. In the museum allowed only to adults.

Part of the public (for example, extreme-right Austrian Freedom Party) has decided against sex-club in the museum. Mayor of Vienna Michael Michael Häupl (Michael Haeupl) said that he does not approve the idea, but noted that protest, newspapers and organizations only play into the hands of the artist, whose goal was the provocation of the townsfolk. Swingers will remain in the House of the Secession until 18 April.

Vienna Secession is the union of artists, the modernists, who lived in the Austrian capital at the turn of XIX and XX centuries. Klimt was one of the most prominent of its members until 1905. Home Secession architect Josef Maria Olbrich considered one of the major architectural monuments of the Austrian Art Nouveau.

http://www.lenta.ru/news/2010/02/24/klimt/

[Сима]

Сообщение от Pavel

Imagine, this is every need to repeat this explanation
Imagine "The Dance" by Matisse, there must be something is explained? So much for the distinction of art and provocation.

Pavel, about Matisse - is you have experience of an artist, you've long aesthetically "chewed." And for the person with the experience of "Origin of speech - Shishkin" Rye "- this is still a provocation - not without reason called the" Fauvism ".
     About the photo - so why should everyone repeat? It is not necessary. This is my personal opinion, based on my social experience. It does not purport to be the interpretation of this artifact. Especially because I did not proceed from its plastic, shaped properties, but from thematic analogy with other findings described above, talking about the Time of Troubles, about the historical context, such a generic product.

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Сообщение от Veronic

presented to you, Shem, near here in Pinchuk Arttsentre with such a fiery speech

Veronic, I appreciate your apparent correctness, because I feel that you are very angry. But do not scold, but just conjures up a picture of my imminent dismemberment. I hope, satisfied. Thin course .
Your question is not entirely rhetorical. because answer - this exhibition, as in Pinchuk in Russia is impossible. We and for more vegetarian facts trial. Who needs?
Now only as an act of civil disobedience, seriously.
I confess, I wrote something about the "shame" in culture, but threw out. Superfluous here, probably. This is not to aesthetic considerations. It is necessary to visit the skin of those who offended.
You fired an arrow about the "Member - our Motherland" our goal is not reached. In Russia, still sustained archetype "Motherland" and the male characters in this sense are not suitable. "Vertical power" so far, thank God, did not mythologeme in popular culture and sacralization not exposed.
A pity that can not be serious discussion about the work itself, which is so all hurt.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Sim

Pavel, about Matisse - is you have experience of an artist, you've long aesthetically "chewed." And for the person with the experience of "Origin of speech - Shishkin" Rye "- this is still a provocation - not without reason called the" Fauvism ".
     About the photo - so why should everyone repeat? It is not necessary. This is my personal opinion, based on my social experience. It does not purport to be the interpretation of this artifact. Especially because I did not proceed from its plastic, shaped properties, but from thematic analogy with other findings described above, talking about the Time of Troubles, about the historical context, such a generic product.

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Since this is just a cheap provocation, this picture can not be artifacts. Artifact is an event, but here banality, where boredom teeth ache. Artifact does not have explains, everything is clear. The fact of the matter and that there interpritatsy-naked and primitive-like money.

Rye Shishkin-academic manner with the influence of the German school and they all understood he wanted to tell the artist. German academic style was not bad, he was and all. Fauvism was in France, the head of the flow was Matisse, Shishkin nothing to do with.
Another thing I have seen improved Shishkin-field, too, and a triple on the same road. Beauty.
Matisse, I do not chew, I admire him!

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Pavel

Since this is just a cheap provocation, this picture can not be artifacts. Artifact is an event, but here banality, where boredom teeth ache. Artifact does not have explains, everything is clear. The fact of the matter and that there interpritatsy-naked and primitive-like money.
         

Bread and circuses! "(=Roman plebs)

Money and scandal! (=?)

Paul, correct: the scandal and the money! (= Sovrisk)

[noart]

Сообщение от Pavel

On the contrary, the scandal and can be obtained and money.

But I also think that the photographer deliberately went for it, and the center implemented the idea. Clearly shows that the whole idea was this.