The process for the exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006" is nearing completion

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

"Orthodox community" outside the courthouse.
Note the text on the shirt.

Futblochki are also lit up today:
T-shirt "Orthodoxy or death" required to recognize the extremist
 
Lublin district prosecutor's office filed in the Lublin district court a statement demanding to image T-shirts with the inscription "Orthodoxy or Death!" the list of extremist materials. This July 12 Interfax reported.
Image t-shirts caught the attention of representatives of the prosecutor when checking group antireligion "in the social network facebook. The prosecutor's office requires that the court ordered the group administrator remove the image t-shirts. Admin full name not given, known only by his surname - Nesterov.

The experts of the Russian Federal Centre for Forensic RF Ministry of Justice will conduct sociological and psycho-linguistic examination of the inscriptions and images, representing the Orthodox symbols and a skull and crossbones. In particular, the specialists to determine whether the purpose of the image on incitement to religious hatred and promotes a superiority or inferiority of certain groups of citizens on the basis of their religion.

If the experts find in the image-shirts signs of extremism, the administrator group can be brought to otvetstvennosti. /lenta.ru

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil

Futblochki are also lit up today:
T-shirt "Orthodoxy or death" required to recognize an extremist

Oh, those T-shirts Orthodox priests like:
1. Archpriest Alexy Volosenkov (Moscow Diocese)
with his wife, mother, Irina, "Orthodoxy or death".
2. O. John (Ohlobystin) with his mother.
3. He's a T-shirt "Do not come to bring peace but a sword."

[SergeiSK]

Gallery owner Marat Gelman will not repeat the exhibition "Forbidden Art" at his gallery on "Vinzavod", RIA Novosti reported. Earlier the director of the Perm Museum of Modern Art (PERMM) stated that the exhibit will show the second time, if the organizers of the "Forbidden Art - 2006" Andrei Erofeev and Yuri Samodurov be convicted.
Gelman has abandoned its intentions despite the fact that the sentence imposed by the organizers of the exhibition on July 12, was an indictment. The court ruled that Erofeev and Samodurov have to pay fines totaling $ 350 thousand rubles. Imprisonment for both of them are not threatened, even though this required the prosecution. Neither Erofeev, Samodurov nor denied guilt and said they would intend to appeal the verdict.
Commenting on the verdict, Gelman said he considers the decision of the court "a good result." "The verdict in its body text of the absurd. But now, when the sword of Damocles does not hang time, you can calmly discuss the problem" - he wrote in his blog. Director PERMM also said that "society should learn from this lesson for myself, curators, too."
When asked literary critic and journalist Gleb Moreva "You will repeat the show at home?" Raised in comments to blog entries, Gelman said: "No, why. Now we have to calmly prepare an appeal. Meaningful, when the threat of landing, or probation" . He added: "We must do its exhibitions, no less acute.
(Lenta.ru)
sly fox. Well all right ... Incidentally noted correctly that we should make new exhibition of the same orientation. They can be devoted to the Holocaust (again with Mickey Mouse) or a beer festival in Mecca.

[киса]

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[Peter]

Сообщение от pussycat

A good sentence, fine. Adequately. That, in my opinion, moaning about the "shame of the country" - the bust. Normal civilized practice.

people traveled by car, by the way threw their garbage in the woods, not able to take up pomoyki.Sledom some drive-dirty protivno.A that with these "scavengers" to do "clean up after themselves do not want to say we are in a free country zhivem.Nu fined tolko.A that other something at a rally forgotten?

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Peter

people traveled by car, by the way threw their garbage in the woods, not able to take up pomoyki.Sledom some drive-dirty, disgusting.

Peter, as you yourself do not draw nudes? Black Hundreds, and these works are considered anti-religious ..
Yes to your accout half of the participants of the Forum (lovers of contemporary art), exactly the debris consider painting that you show in my album.
(PsMne personally like it).

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..... Case "Forbidden Art" is a trumped-up, said Andrei Erofeev. "To say that for those years that are in the process, the picture became clear case in full, I can not. One thing is clear - it is a political frame-up, having nothing to do with democratic justice system, a customer of this case is unclear, but it is obvious performer," - noted curator.

According Erofeev, their opponents - the movement of the "People's Cathedral, whose head Oleg Cassini wrote a statement to the prosecutor - consists of people who are close to the ideology of neo-Nazism.
"Neo-Nazis in all countries are traditionally the champions of contemporary art. Where do they come to power, they always replace the traditional modern art, and here we are not dealing with the Orthodox cultural policy", - considers Erofeev.

The polar points of view on the process become apparent a long time (conventionally they can be formulated as "an attack on freedom of creativity" and "deserved the punishment for blasphemers"). The reason, I think, that many simply do not capture the meaning and specificity of the conflict. Well, yes, freedom of creativity - it seems to be good, but modern art - a phenomenon generally incomprehensible.
Everyone knows that the townsfolk insist that religious symbols (in Christianity is the crucifix, the image of the Virgin, as well as almost all the Old Testament and the Gospel stories) should be interpreted solely in terms of belief, not disbelief. For their part, some modern artists believe that the remembered characters may be used in that context, which is selected by the author of the work. And if the aforesaid context of someone does not like it, it's him, the viewer, and taste problem.
In fact, here lies the conflict. It is important to understand that art is in fact the Church of the war is not declared. With reference to the fact that artist feels his moral right to use the metaphor, which he seems sharp and relevant. Here on this background and misunderstandings occur. It is not hard to guess that visitors to the exhibitions of contemporary art and frequenters of Orthodox prayer services are fundamentally different audiences. at the household level, people can perfectly understand the conservatory they should go to the circus or at a rock concert. But even hitting what is called "wrong address", do not suffer the consequences, which can be equated to the destruction of personality, as is recorded in the indictment Tagansky court.

The rhetoric of civil society in our country is still very relevant, so the State would do well to take into account differences in the public interest in the preparation of legal norms. So far, those rules seem vague and can be interpreted different ways. What is considered "an insult to religious feelings"? Anything that causes dissatisfaction data carrier feelings - or the necessary objective formulation?

As for contemporary art in our country has been broken for many copies. Comrade Stalin called the music of Shostakovich "Muddle Instead of Music", Khrushchev at an exhibition at the Manege called the sculpture "motherfuckers", etc. etc. I think that history will judge. Word for posterity. And do not think they have that in our time were the barbarians, we should express their views at the most - who - "for", who - against. A Criminal Code be left alone. Him, and without art work enough above the roof.

[Евгений]

..... Case "Forbidden Art" is a trumped-up, said Andrei Erofeev. "To say that for those years that are in the process, the picture became clear case in full, I can not. One thing is clear - it is a political frame-up, having nothing to do with democratic justice system, a customer of this case is unclear, but the obvious singer"

According Erofeev, their opponents - the movement of the "People's Cathedral, whose head Oleg Cassini wrote a statement to the prosecutor - consists of people who are close to the ideology of neo-Nazism.
"Neo-Nazis in all countries are traditionally the champions of contemporary art. Where do they come to power, they always replace the traditional modern art, and here we are not dealing with the Orthodox cultural policy", - considers Erofeev.

The polar points of view on the process become apparent a long time (conventionally they can be formulated as "an attack on freedom of creativity" and "deserved the punishment for blasphemers"). The reason, I think, that many simply do not capture the meaning and specificity of the conflict. Well, yes, freedom of creativity - it seems to be good, but modern art - a phenomenon generally incomprehensible.
Everyone knows that the townsfolk insist that religious symbols (in Christianity is the crucifix, the image of the Virgin, as well as almost all the Old Testament and the Gospel stories) should be interpreted solely in terms of belief, not disbelief. For their part, some modern artists believe that the remembered characters may be used in that context, which is selected by the author of the work. And if the aforesaid context of someone does not like it, it's him, the viewer, and taste problem.
In fact, here lies the conflict. It is important to understand that art is in fact the Church of the war is not declared. With reference to the fact that artist feels his moral right to use the metaphor, which he seems sharp and relevant. Here on this background and misunderstandings occur. It is not hard to guess that visitors to the exhibitions of contemporary art and frequenters of Orthodox prayer services are fundamentally different audiences. at the household level, people can perfectly understand the conservatory they should go to the circus or at a rock concert. But even hitting what is called "wrong address", do not suffer the consequences, which can be equated to the destruction of personality, as is recorded in the indictment Tagansky court.

The rhetoric of civil society in our country is still very relevant, so the State would do well to take into account differences in the public interest in the preparation of legal norms. So far, those rules seem vague and can be interpreted different ways. What is considered "an insult to religious feelings"? Anything that causes dissatisfaction data carrier feelings - or the necessary objective formulation?

As for contemporary art in our country has been broken for many copies. Comrade Stalin called the music of Shostakovich "Muddle Instead of Music", Khrushchev at an exhibition at the Manege called the sculpture "motherfuckers", etc. etc. I think that history will judge. Word for posterity. And do not think they have that in our time were the barbarians, we should express their views at the most - who - "for", who - against. A Criminal Code be left alone. Him, and without art work enough above the roof ...

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I very briefly, on povode only one passage of the interview "growing strength voice." Namely, on "pripleteniya" here yet and neo-Nazis (which, incidentally, shows once again that the last thing it comes to art. All the figures of the concerned watered. Labels).

So, I've got a friend Tartar. Moreover, Tartar, Tartar. He wears a velvet chetyrehklinke, fingering prayer beads, a thin mustache stings ... Dear people. Doctor of Philosophy. Tatarstan's government is sometimes advises.
So this Tartar sure (how can be sure Ph.D. - conclusively) that the Russian people, in general alien to nationalism. General. Thus, as the Russian people is the bearer of the imperial spirit (well, this is understandable: it is enough to look at a globe, not to argue that long)). So what is Neo-Nazism is confused about? The fact that, according to a very enlightened representative of one of Nat. minorities, can not be, in principle?

Even leaving aside the distinguished doctor of philosophy ... If there is a Neo Nazi, so was Nazism? When?
Or is not the Russian people? But then on what? Or is it just bludoslovie?

[SergeiSK]

pussy,
I agree with you. In this topic, and not only bludosloviya more than two thirds. Let us now because of the Russian Orthodox Church:

Сообщение от Eugene

Without the quotes, just the Black Hundreds ...

may indicate a person familiar with the Orthodox Church only on prices at the icons.
And surely it would be right to forumskie fighters "obscurantism" (as well as the Communists and Stalin-eater) in their messages on the forum quoting not only the opinion of the progressive public, but the ROC. To be completely objective.
But in this endless dispute can not be won. Like the losers.