How to unleash the artist

[noart]

Сообщение от Konstantin

Pavel, do not even know what to say ... This naivete? Or sabotage?
It speaks only about what you do not imagine how much tax now. Sami is paying? Only on TV do you hear that we have the smallest? 13%sentimental that you pay?

noart I do not understand what you write


This is about what?
Some moaning about the state, even funny, sorry of course. As children, if so, with no state can not, then at least suggest that it should? Money to give? Who? Who will decide? The official, honest and fair?
And everything you want from gosudastva?

Constantine - are not the point. I wanted to say that the Western art market, expects us money. but not as art. And the money they get ... ... .... I give examples of funny. Carefully read my recent posts and I think that will understand.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

Pavel, do not even know what to say ... This naivete? Or sabotage?
It speaks only about what you do not imagine how much tax now. Sami is paying? Only on TV do you hear that we have the smallest? 13%sentimental that you pay?

noart I do not understand what you write


This is about what?
Some moaning about the state, even funny, sorry of course. As children, if so, with no state can not, then at least suggest that it should? Money to give? Who? Who will decide? The official, honest and fair?
And everything you want from gosudastva?

is the topic

"Billionaire Pinchuk, owner of seven Hurst, a mysterious buyer"
September 29.
(An abstract of the TV Bloomberg TV)

"Mr. Pinchuk, a steel billionaire, identified himself to the Western art market.
The last two years has been much speculation on what the modern masterpieces of an unknown buyer in large quantities may be Russian (link to article «Herald Tribune» on how to spend and how much Russian at this time on the Frieze Art Fair, at angl.yaz.
www.iht.com - (thanks Matt). But now it has become clear: Mr. Pinchuk, 46, a Ukrainian - one of the largest Baer.

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In his collection are the most expensive artists still alive. Such as: Briton D. Herst - seven works, American J. Koons - two jobs and six - German photographer A. Gursky. All of them attended the opening. Intentions Pinchuk obvious - put Kiev on the world art map.

"Pinchuk is now a major player from the former` Union `in the international art scene" - said Oxana Bondarenko, head of the foundation of Victoria, which owns the Mr. Michelson, the billionaire chief executive of OAO Novatek, the second largest gas producer in Russia.

"I'm still very fond of Russian and Ukrainian impressionists, but now I try to put the emphasis on contemporary art" - says Pinchuk. Good looks and fluent in English. His passion for collecting began in early 1990. First there were Russian and Ukrainian authors, the work of the prewar period, and in 2002 - contemporary art.

"It seems Pinchuk knows what to do. By showing your passion for contemporary art »- says Bondarenko," and at the same time, he understands that it substantially improves its international image ".

"We plan to make Kiev a major art-direction" - he says, "contemporary art will help modernize society, especially the younger generation ........ I got some work through the auction houses, mostly I buy directly from the artists or through their dealers "**

"I was very surprised how collection Pinchuk properly focused, and how all this deliberately" - says Jeff Koons.

Pinchuk in the collection of some of the best names beginning of 20 century (Roerich, Korovin, Konchalovsky, etc.), 500-600 works by contemporary authors, which he acquired with the help of Western and Ukrainian curators. Value of the Ukrainian and international artists - 50 to 50%.

The saying "Russian go" in relation to art exhibitions are no longer applicable because, even taking into account the fact that the world's leading American dealer Larry Gagozyan opened in Zhukovka gallery to match rising demand. Pinchuk still remains a leading collector of post-Soviet space.

All of the above written again podtverzhlaet special warm feeling for a civilized society Viktor Mikhailovich. West impressed. On a personal note I might add that the "main corrupter" of Ukrainian artists I really liked him, despite everything. But that's the paradox: the West applaud him standing, Russian evil envy, dealers rushing about, and Most native Ukrainian society - do not care. The things are my favorite comments on the exhibition Reflection. To my regret, this reflects the whole society. I remember how I stood in line at the entrance to the museum Pinchuk. Behind me was a young woman with a child and until security checked bag from a pre-arranged, a woman asked whether I was here earlier. Without waiting for my reply, my aunt with a calf enthusiastically said: "And you know what is beautiful bathrooms!" All in the mirror! I friend said. Here, come baby show. Sorry, and this is a society that wants to Pinchuk once upgraded are those for whom he built a museum? Ale! I am in mourning.

** On the question of how and where Mr. Pinchuk bought work. Dealers everywhere very simple policy that is accepted by artists around the world, except for Ukraine: An artist should only be sold through the galleries, but not in his studio. There are certain laws of the market and generally accepted behavior in the market. But, please, Mr. Pinchuk, leave their monopolistic ways. In the West, he is disciplined, there is a gallery and buy. In Kiev, he goes to the artist. Hey! So we never derive Ukrainian artists at the world level - and they will die huckster.

Recently had a conversation with one very large dealer of Russian art in London. He was so shocked and outraged by the fact that in Kiev there is such a practice sale. What he asked me: why is it then here (in London) the workshops not go? It's simple: Adviser Pinchuk, apparently sitting on the Committee and leads - this time, and is profitable for them to buy more expensive, ie Ideally, through auction. But in Kiev, the artists themselves to him go, figuring that they will be directly in their work more than a gallery - that's two.

Respect Viktor Mikhailovich, but still wanted to play on one of the notes, even if we did a variety of tools, specifically the amount of money.

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Konstantin, this topic should be left "theorists."
Let practiced the question "How do we arrange the art market of Russia.
Anyway, these "theorists" theme How to unleash the artist life is not useful, because mental exercises, a la Manilow.
"But it would be good to state ..."
"But it would be good, what would Putin ..."
Or:
I ask you humbly, like going to St. Petersburg, tell
all the various dignitaries there: the senators and admirals that now, your excellency,
live in a certain city Piotr Bobchinskiy. So tell me: live Piotr Bobchinskiy.
     Yes, if over, and the sovereign will, say, and the emperor,
that here, they say, Your Majesty, in a certain city lived Piotr Bobchinskiy. (c)

[LCR]

I myself do not think the state should intervene in matters of art - very well see how it turns out, both in the USSR and France - but noart in many respects human rights. I am almost sure that the translation for the forum article on the state poldderzhke abstract expressionism (but I will not look - too long), try to find it, Constantine. It tells how the United States to deprive the European art of leadership in contemporary art - not an easy task

On the other hand, you think, what all these gentlemen Gagosian with Consort come to Russia, look out for promising authors? No, people here vparivat wealthy people the contents of their bins.
It is a vicious circle - Russians are willing to invest in art, buying works of western artists because of their disproportionately greater liquidity, respectively, the Russian domestic market of art, devoid of the flow of money, could not get on their feet ...

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Сообщение от LCR

is a vicious circle - Russians are willing to invest in art, buying works of western artists because of their disproportionately greater liquidity, respectively, the Russian domestic market of art, devoid of the flow of money, can not stand on its feet ...

I've heard similar already ...
That Russians are buying Toyota and Mercedes, and our Zhuguli-no ...
Where are the poor Russian auto go?

"Support local producers, comrades!
He hit the race off-road, sloppiness and lack of bureaucracy. (C)

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

Here the Russians are buying Toyota and Mercedes, and our Zhuguli-no ...

So they tried to sort of state. officials even ban buy the Mercedes, it was sort of thing, but something went wrong. Can volitional state. decree to prohibit Pinchuk buy these Hirst and Koons.

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Сообщение от LCR

Russian domestic market of art, devoid of the flow of money, can not stand on its feet ...

And for him, that "Russia's domestic market, only the money needed for" getting up on its feet?

But he, too, on my knees?

[noart]

Сообщение от LCR

I myself do not think the state should intervene in matters of art - very well see how it turns out, both in the USSR and France - but noart is largely rights. I am almost sure that the translation for the forum article on the state support of abstract expressionism (but I will not look - too long), try to find it, Constantine. It tells how the U.S. managed to deprive the European art of leadership in contemporary art - not an easy task

On the other hand, you think, what all these gentlemen Gagosian with Consort come to Russia, look out for promising authors? No, people here vparivat wealthy people the contents of their bins.
It is a vicious circle - the Russians willing to invest in art, buying works of western artists because of their disproportionately greater liquidity, respectively, the Russian domestic market of art, devoid of the flow of money, can not stand up ...

"They have even developed a clear doctrine on the subject. And it all comes down to one thing - money flowing into Western markets.
All the major institutions are built there. /And all is arranged so that we went to them - but not with the art - and with the money. The art they have enough, they would have money -))
Not for nothing, they opened a gallery in Moscow, not in order that would educate the Russian in the trends of modern art - they need the money. In these galleries of Russian artists are hard to find.
On that not all so good and innocent.

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Сообщение от noart

Constantine - are not the point. Carefully read my recent posts and I think that will understand.

Konstantin, well, had?

[Konstantin]

Konstantin, this topic should be left "theorists."
Let practiced the question "How do we arrange the art market of Russia.
Anyway, these "theorists" How to promote a theme of the artist's life is not useful, because mental exercises, a la Manilow.
"But it would be good to state ..."
"But it would be good, what would Putin ..."

It ... Instead of discussing how and where to hold the exhibition as process, what the press and how to invite, how much it costs.
Rather than rejoice in the presence of gallery owners and ask The artdillerov and they have what they need from the artist to complete the work, any complaints about the callousness that adults uncles.
They began to discuss - how to beg for money from the state.
On the one hand claim that those who have money to buy foreign stars, on the other that we all once again.
Not even funny.
I warn you, the following positions in the same spirit blot and banned for a couple of days, and maybe on ndelyu (where two lines are close and I can not get ).

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Сообщение от noart

I give examples of funny.

Сообщение от Konstantin

Do not even funny.

And I laughed ...