Creating models of ships - the art, craft, interest for collectors ...

[navymast]

And then it can be and the frequency of voice. And then as a society we are talking about that. I am now only interested in how they sypyatsya regularly. Channel where? Ship ship strife. Maybe for you there is no difference between 96 and pushechnikom frigate, but it affects the price. And the price varies considerably on the model of the same age with the rank of the ship. And about the source of models regularly on auctions if possible, if not their problem to collect. As far as I know the history of search models for his collection of family Krigshtayn, they have taken years and decades to search for and purchase of selected models. The more concrete, the easier it is to speak.

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Сообщение от Eugene

navymast, Do we have different notions about collecting, contemporary ship models I personally do not.
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p /s navymast Good luck in the sale of contemporary models of the ships.

Of course different, I wrote about it, just a different strategy. This is not the dignity and do not want. This is different. And we do not sell models. You're not trying to sell something. The meaning of the opening theme to another. Says Andrew Lapin: "an outstanding could not be much, then it would become the norm, and an outstanding could be different." p.s. success and you, Eugene, in collecting conventional models.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от navymast

As far as I know the history of search models for his collection of family Krigshtayn, they have taken years and decades to search for and purchase of selected models.

That's interesting, write.
But so far, you have failed to answer the question why the model is left for record price and it's strange, the more that you or your friend, wrote that gather information on the ships models 15 years .. I think you Auction also looking at? So write a normal response, rather than general words about the historical rarity ..
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Actually, I have a couple of times not addressed to you, but to collectors of old models, your answer did not suit me.
Once again, good luck.

[AlexB]

Lord, in my opinion theme gets a turn when the sides are beginning to speak in different languages.
Here you are Eugene, trying to ask, but your question over and over again is not clear. Excuse me, perhaps we have different databases and our images are very different. Perhaps the reason?
Let me ask you to Eugene, I think that it (the issue) to the address for assuming that you have a wide range of information on the subject asks. And let not my question will seem naive.
So. Once Speaking of auctions, pricing, value, value, etc. I would like to understand, to understand why the old (antkvarnye things) are very popular with the public, why the old thing is higher than the same new. Old Masters of painting really worked masterpieces and their works are millions! (Why?) Why painting? PAINTING!
rather than another kind of art has become a cult and accepted by the public with all put in it attributes and vzroschennoy mentality.
And another question ... how much would you estimate there is a "product". I know the price, and it has evolved over two years and more than objectivity. Amount of money spent on the construction of this model allows you to create a model, but no added value for the significance, escarpment, old age is not podrazuchevaetsya. To reflect on and how much is that thing or that, the occupation is not a noble and very responsible (this is a court without a plot). Here, try specifying the price (for them) ptorgovatsya and buy it for yourself. Can you? (Assuming you have the money and you are really want to have this) Good luck and please help me understand the painting.
(Sorry, forgot about the model spravochku: 1:48 Scale, Model largest length 1350mm, naturadnye materials, metals drag 5 kg, and artificial aging. Single copy, historical reconstruction, the first building (300 years), but the model is a remake of the old-style muzneynyh ).

[navymast]

Сообщение от Eugene

That's interesting, write.
But so far, you have failed to answer the question why the model is left for record price and it's strange, the more that you or your friend, wrote that gather information on the ships models 15 years .. I think you Auction also looking at? So write a normal response, rather than general words about the historical rarity ..
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Actually, I have a couple of times not addressed to you, but to collectors of old models, your answer did not suit me.
Once again, good luck.

The most interesting thing in this life is people. How do they think, speak, write, respond and refer others to their inconsistency or discrepancy. They certainly can not collect. Probably forums were invented, including, to compensate for this inability. All in full view. Portrait Gallery. You go and watch. And do not stop to wonder. You want to get the answer you prefer? I was here already instructed on the right path art dealers in Australia. I am given to understand that they puknut in my direction will not be able without a contract. So why are you putting me in the scope of works and concrete result. I do not work for you. Therefore, I can answer your question within a framework that I have marshaled for himself. When you can hire me, then let's talk about the requirements on the result. You will be able to use my answers as benchmarks for their movement - the young man. Plus you like the ability to think and move independently. Can not - under which lies a stone gathers no moss. I've checked you in serezgnost your intentions regarding Monegasques. You referred to his friend, and then moved away from the topic. So a very small interest, if any. Therefore, following the directions of Alexander, thank him, tell me the direction of action - this is after the contract.

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Сообщение от Eugene

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Actually, I have a couple of times not addressed to you, but to collectors of old models, your answer did not suit me.
Once again, good luck.

but it is also very interesting to me. And like the very direction of questioning - interestingly, it is to whom are drawn to? Yes, and the impact will be very interesting to watch. Ie react as those to whom this issue is addressed. For example Tom Perkins read it? Or Krigshtayny? They do not sleep nights, worried that your question will not go unanswered.

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Сообщение от Eugene

As he built his personal yacht does not interest me, it does not apply to the collection model, which he sold at auction.

"I must make good out of this evil, because it is no longer from what to do." He said one of the great teachers. Continue, despite ... This is the next step. Directly no longer related to issues Eugenia. Only uses his questions and doubts. I did not invent the marketing bike, if I say that the identity of the owner increases the price of the thing, unless personality is interesting and uncommon. I think Perkins is the case when the shadow of its human talent reflected in the value of the model towards its increase. At the cost of the yacht built by his qualities as a man and a specialist is very well reflected in the price rise. And, incidentally, in the description of the lot there is no indication the former bright historically significant owners of the model.

[Евгений]

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And another question ... how much would you estimate there is a "product". I know the price

Сообщение от AlexB

model of large length 1350mm, naturadnye materials, metals drag 5 kg, artificial aging. single instance, a historical reconstruction, the first building (300 years), but the model is a remake of the old style muzneynyh).

The ship is difficult to estimate, but the analogy is:
A diamond-encrusted skull of the British artist Damien Hirst has been sold for the appointment of a price of 100 million dollars, reports France Presse. This is a record price paid for a work of the artist still alive.
Hirst's work, entitled "For this is the love of God" (line from the First Epistle of John) cost him most of the twenty million dollars. It is cast in platinum on the model of this skull, dating back to XVIII century, and inlaid diamond 8601.

Сообщение от AlexB

I would like to understand, to understand why the old (antkvarnye things) are popular with the public, why the old thing is higher than the same new.

There is talk not just about old things, antiques, and about the old ship models (18-19 centuries), to invest in these things .. your answers on this subject does not suit me. Thank you very much for information on current Shipmodelling.
 Dear friends, AlexB, navymast, I have twice wished you good luck if you do not like what I'm asking about the old, antique ship models in this topic, I apologize. I just start a new topic, without problems ..

[navymast]

Thanks again Eugene for the focus on this point here. The old model-modern model-modern Shipmodelling. R is open precisely in order to grow in their baskets myths and misconceptions. Either way, representations that are shared by different people, going in different directions. 1) We do not deal with "modern Shipmodelling. 2) It is this modern Shipmodelling raznoshersten too, if you want to throw a pebble label, it is necessary to know exactly what metite to yarlychek hung on the spot. I consistently lecturing materials in the hope that a consistent discussion will lead to some understanding and rejection of stereotypes. We explain to people interested in asking questions, we update the content and all move in the general field of witness. But I was mistaken. Too difficult to read texts to understand them, especially to hear the answers. We must think about another form of information presentation. Think.

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Сообщение от Eugene

There is talk not just about old things, antiques, and about the old ship models (18-19 centuries), to invest in these things .. your answers on this subject does not suit me. Thank you very much for information on current Shipmodelling.

Excuse me for God's sake, all those who see in this sense, the subject of art. But I was very entertain the game at investors in the art. entertain in the sense that the bustle and preparation of investment portfolios, building ratings of the best selling items, the most influential people in the arts and other ledger, they have long since replaced by the actual itself sense of inclusion in this very art. I am very please the appearance of the theme of people for whom art is a way to look at the world and themselves. I understand that the forum has a name - iskustvovedchesko and accounting. But still rejoice. I have a customer. He tells me that he had two passions - sailing ships (in the form of models) and painting. It is those with the soul of his work. I would like to welcome to the theme of working people. I'm not so self-confident that I can say that I will be able to interview a serious collector of these things, but I'm sure that among the grounds for their passion well up very little space there is such a combination - "Investing in ....." I posted information on the collection Krigshtaynov, Colonel Rogers. I am so deeply without going further into what was guided by Perkins in his enthusiasm. Judging by the direction of the business, which he chose for himself, he was accustomed sozhdavat and not to resell. Ie create, and then resell, maximum. We are working on the people who create the environment around art. We fill in that part of this space, which is assigned to the sea. You: "Investment, investment". Forgive me affected, but it reminds me of looting simple. I once watched a little material on the German designer Yopp, if not falsified, he said such a thing: "People differ among themselves in order, for what things they have to take care of in life. In the sense to act as temporary custodians and guardians. But about usury of art did not say anything.

[AlexB]

Сообщение от Eugene

The ship is difficult to estimate, but the analogy is:
A diamond-encrusted skull of the British artist Damien Hirst has been sold for the appointment of a price of 100 million dollars, reports France Presse. This is a record price paid for a work of the artist still alive.
Hirst's work, entitled "For this is the love of God" (line from the First Epistle of John) cost him most of the twenty million dollars. It is cast in platinum on the model of this skull, dating back to XVIII century, and inlaid diamond 8601.

There is talk not just about old things, antiques, and about the old ship models (18-19 centuries), to invest in these things .. your answers on this subject does not suit me. Thank you very much for information on current Shipmodelling.
 Dear friends, AlexB, navymast, I have twice wished you good luck if you do not like what I'm asking about the old, antique ship models in this topic, I apologize. I just start a new topic, no problem ..

-Substitute, surrender, spiritual poverty.
-Poor soil will not give good germination.

[navymast]

Сообщение от Eugene

Maritime Museum of Monaco
In the Maritime Museum of Monaco (Musee Naval de Monaco) is represented approximately 250 models of famous ships. There is and old ships, and research vessels, and transatlantic liners and aircraft carriers. It should be noted Calypso and Alsion of Captain Cousteau, Antarctica J.-L. Etienne and the enormous model of the aircraft carrier Nimitz (5m) and liners Normandie and the Titanic (over 3m).
Some models to a museum of the private collection of Prince Rainier III.
Website of Monaco http://www.monaco.ru/about/museums.php

 Dear navymast interested in photos of the ships from the collection of Prince. If there is no information, wait, somebody will answer ..

Gradually the situation is clearer with the models in the Maritime Museum of Monaco from the private collection of Prince Rainier III. Unfortunately, friends in Monaco, I do not have, so I had to write the Director of the museum. I politely replied Mrs. Martine MOULARI Responsable du Musye Naval. In a written reply, she sent photos of models that have come to the museum from the private collection of Prince. I post these photos on the forum. Judging from the photos, models are very heterogeneous in quality and composition. It connected with the fact that, for example, were transferred to the museum is not the most valuable exhibits, or simply the quality of the collection itself, I do not know. I asked for a description of the letter of reply at least one model - a story in the collection of income and time that the model itself. While waiting for an answer. All those interested in discussing topics can assess the quality of models in this collection at least visually. Their possible cost. There are still attached list with names, but I'm not posting it here. Who cares, I can throw the post.

[navymast]

Mrs. Martine MOULARI answered my question about the history of models, which were donated to the museum.

[navymast]

In this issue of the possibility of collecting antique ship models I'm interested now what time. There is a large reservoir constructed Votive-ships. Is the British admiralty model 17 century, which were built at shipyards. There is built on a regular basis French model with the end of 18 century. Something has to different countries of Europe. But what about those periods in the history of shipbuilding on which there is no built models then? After the French Revolution, a huge part of the model was destroyed in the revolutionary fervor. The Dutch did not build models, they used other methods of knowledge transfer from engineer to master. It's possible models of Peter's ships. I'm not talking about the models of the era that preceded the Middle Ages and early Europe. Asia, Arabs, and Oceania. The ship itself is a delightful and perfect engineering construction, the subject of culture. Even without a load of stories of people who sailed on these ships, or perhaps owned models of these ships.