History of Counterfeiting Grigorieva

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от khmelev

this "Grigoriev" could not take nowhere.

I wonder how fresh copy.
Normally it is seen, the paint is not yet "zakamenevshie" and not acquired special tone.
And who was the artist.
How about a year can be dated copy ....

[тата]

Сообщение от K-Maler

I wonder how fresh copy . Normally it is seen , the paint is not yet " zakamenevshie " and not acquired special tone . And who was the artist . How about a year can be dated copy ....

 Actually we are talking about watercolors.
 And oil really goes down with watercolors this does not happen - binder - gum and water.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от acetate

Actually it comes to watercolor.

And there is not no temperature?

[Solnce]

Сообщение от khmelev

seems to me that in this case there was a fairly commonplace stage any large investigation. Quantity turned into quality. Cultural community it may be perceived as a cultural shock and bloody repression of the regime. Yet everyone agrees that bloody regime to counterfeits hardly any bearing on them . A cultural community can not see that hard work, which is carried journalists reserchery , honest police - yes, there are - painstakingly collecting all sorts bumazhonki , left examination , photos of clones and other trash . And in 99%without any hope of success.
  Unlikely Basner someone seriously needed, but the fact that it stands for is the St. Petersburg group, which has already got all their Gorbatova , Nesterov , Grigorieva , etc.
If you have caught it in the present and not off the hook to it , or it will begin to take friends or really to jail for several years.
Sorry for her , but every person chooses his fate .

In world practice, such groups reveal arresting counterfeiters (preferably in the act ) . Here is another purpose - to scare experts may - Museum. That's when the manufacturer falshaka take a few of these " workshops " will lay , it is - the investigation and justice.

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Сообщение от Solnce

That's when the manufacturer falshaka take

I hope you do not mean the artist?
not the artist who performed the work?

[Solnce]

Сообщение от Eriksson

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The key to the case Basner

"Cultural public it may be perceived as a cultural shock and bloody repression of the regime. Yet everyone agrees that bloody regime to counterfeits hardly has bearing on them . Basner Hardly anyone seriously need , but the fact that it stands for is the St. Petersburg group , already got all their Gorbatova , Nesterov , Grigorieva , etc. If it is the present and have caught the hook it does not break , it will begin or take friends or really to jail for several years. pity her , but each person chooses their own destiny . " http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...=129821&page=9

And letters Collector Andrei Vasilyev fb art critic Tatyana Goriacheva :

" I'm sorry to intrude into this scientist dispute . Ms. Basner , I sincerely wish the day after liberation , not performed in this transaction , as an expert. SHumakova She asked to conceal their involvement . Shumakov 250,000 received from the buyer , and the owner gave Basner 180000 . And all this mysterious disappearance occurred within 1 hour. All these figures carefully recorded and signed by the participants. So it can not be called an expert in this case . She just some negotsii party .

Now the character of this negotsii . It is fraudulent and that's why. The apartment Basner picture Grigorieva was July 6, 2009 . A June 18, 2009 a citizen took her from Grabar Center , where she was on the examination and was recognized as a forgery. Basner , selling paintings, Shumakov told that it comes from the collection of T. For picture were attached scans from " my journal for a few " made ​​Basner indoors GPB in 2007 year. Ie there is fraud, misrepresentation , breach of trust, in order to lure a large sum of money. But this is not important .

Now about that - whether it was possible to recall that it was 30 years ago or not. Basner , holding this picture of the house , at least 5 days , showed its curator of JULIA Solonovich DRAWING belt . And she did not recognize in her native clone paintings Grigorieva , which it stores ! Can this be ? Maybe . Because shortly before Tamara Galeeva , arrives in St. Petersburg for the preparation of a monograph on Grigoriev access all paintings and drawings belt - on inventory and catalogs ! ! And she did not show this pattern. Ie neither keeper Solonovich nor Galeeva did not know or said they did not know the existence of this picture. And that's not all , gentlemen, p.ch. the most important thing in this story while it is impossible to tell , but believe that the whole situation in general will turn upside down .

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One can not tell if Basner would be an intelligent man and a decent man , then at least she apologized that brought harm to another person who has nothing in front of her not guilty . It would return the money appropriated itself . Instead, she pitted me a pack of investigators and prosecutors at district level , which strongly insulted during the year , hid documents under the carpet , stated that I myself had forged this picture. Approximately the same position was taken and timing . And this is the hundredth part of what I could say about this story. So I really want to see Basner free and meet her in court.

Excuse me, but if you're positioning yourself as an expert , ask not to call your name, do not write the examination, but simply sell falshak obtained from someone unknown , but invent it - this falshaki provenance , and put yourself in the pocket tens of thousands dollars, then who are you ? That's what happened with Basner !

Dear Tatyana , I can not go into the psychology of these people. I see the history and deeds. If everything was as you describe - unreasonableness , etc., then why this intelligent woman did not apologize , did not return the money - their share ? No police would not exist. No, she said that we will meet with her in court that she had sold the real thing , but a fake belt and that I generally cleaned with her ​​eyes.

You do not know a lot , but I will do everything in my power to make the case came to trial . By the way, was a civil court , which Basner so concerned about their reputation just was not. A lawyer came to her . The court refused me in a lawsuit p.ch. I supposedly missed the statute of limitations . Moreover, the date from which the period should be counted and they did not specify ! The case is now in Moscow in the Supreme Court . At the same time I am convinced that here Basner fifth wheel , and behind it there are people that she is not losing because of fear or any close relationship . And that's bad , p.ch. she can go and get the real organizer of time.

Now the garage - garage emerged only now. When selling collection featured Professor T. And , too, was a conscious lie. I ask you to wait for the court , and then draw conclusions. And if for some reason the court will not, then released a book which will be published by the original documents . In the interests of Basner vowel and public trial . And to help her out on bail now of course you need . And my word is worth all the letters. And that word is said.

By the way, you do not know why Basner never puts on its findings dates? Dear Tatyana , I want to emphasize once again . Basner not written examination, she asked not to disclose their participation , she came up with the provenance , it is assigned a lot of money . All this is a conscious act, indicating that she felt this trouble . And after that you believe that she did not know about Grabar ? Maybe , maybe. But wait for the court - such surprises are waiting for you .

I know Lena 30 years. I gave it to Bukowski . My heart is broken with respect to it 10 years ago, when she had to write the foreword to our book of Schuster and threw such a trick , after which neither I nor Schuster family never talked with her . I do not want when it hard to write about the plot of those old stories. I would never have bought the painting from her. NEVER ! But now it's not about that. I am absolutely sure that Lena only a small detail of this story , which entirely takes place near the belt .

Dear Tatyana , in which my interview you can read what I relied on the authority of Basner ? It could not be , unless it is the direct speech of some mad journalist. I did not do anything at all , since this picture was from General T., whom I knew personally and knew that he was buying things right at Burceva in the early 30 -ies. It's time. Secondly, a number of experts certainly recognize this thing de visa. That's two .

When I handed it to the belt , and then two months there singing praises, and then gave a negative paper. But before that lay on the table Petrova positive expertise ! And you want to make this whole kitchen, we did not understand , but just do not bother Basner forgotten ? So maybe it was, if people knew how to apologize , do not be rude and do not do to others what you would not want that to yourself. And all this does not negate the " garage " , Aronson and other miracles .

And by the way , why do you think that in just one episode ?

Discard personal emotions between long acquaintances.
So: in a few mediators Balt - lady - publisher - victim - Muscovite ( canvas returned to victims) . Classical "chain " Peter Moscow on gray antique market . Lady usual mediator - not acted as an expert . Reported " provenance " which she said Balt . Yeah, maybe , I have, but it is - not a crime. Several questions arise :
Why not questioned and are not actively sought by Balts and the likely place of manufacture of the copies?
Why the same publisher mediator has no problems ?
Why before buying examination was not done ?
And where is the proof that the lady knew about negative evaluation Grabar and saw to the original transaction in the belt ?
And the main thing ! Why Everyone thinks that the manufacturer could not falshaka mislead lady ?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

I hope you do not mean the artist?
not the artist who performed the work?

It would be good artist and customer copy (which is in direct contact with the artist), and then "catapulted" to copy antique market.

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Сообщение от Solnce

Yeah, maybe, I have, but it is - not a crime.

If they prove fraud, this "earnings" and is just a crime.

[тата]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

And there is not no temperature?

 
Petrova said watercolor on TV.
And she showed both work really looks like.
Today, at eleven o'clock.

[Solnce]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

If you can prove fraud , just that "earnings " and would be a crime .

Earned in my schema : Balt - lady - publisher - potrpevshy ( but apparently returned Muscovite ) . Problems only ladies?
If the goods found substandard , all these earnings should be returned through civil lawsuits . Crime - make falshak and "throwing " in the market. Why are all confident that this guy all reported ? That the lady knew in advance that false picture . Legally - part of the chain except the Balts in civil relations . Overdue civil action and will now ascribe intent all in a row or selectively. Forger ( the first in the chain) must seek a consequence - in other civil court .

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Сообщение от acetate

Petrov said watercolor on TV.

And I say: cardboard, watercolor, tempera.
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