How to create and develop the infrastructure of art?

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Сообщение от iside; 2051381"

is a kind of quest for truth , the search for new artistic expression , the search for revelation .

We can recall absolutely seemingly unnecessary haute couture - the same one that never will wear , this is simply impossible to walk. So why then is to produce , show ? Yeah?
But do not confuse the door , if you need pants - go to the store "Clothes ," there is just a prêt-à-porter for the consumer , rather than sit on the catwalk at the fashion week .
Only now without ideas haute couture will not be easy , and fashionable clothes, and the entire fashion industry ...

[iside]

Сообщение от Kirill Syzran ; 2051451 '

You may recall seemingly completely unnecessary haute couture - the same one that never will wear , this is simply impossible to walk. So why then is to produce , show ? Yes ?

Cyril Syzran, haute couture - it's also a kind of a world with its history , with their idols , and critics. There's just some things that are classified as " chernukha ", for example , meat dress Lady Gaga met with a barrage of poisonous comments worldwide , well, etc. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[artcol]

Сообщение от iside

What is strange for me personally , so that the conversation with ravymi intervals rolled into the discussion as such sales and sales growth , as well as those who have money , those necessary to pay attention , and the rest let it sit with the carpet on the wall. This is wrong , and that's why , I'll write tomorrow. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Hmm ... When I see the word " wrong" in this context , I tighten up ...

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Сообщение от iside; 2051471"

There's just some things that are classified as " chernukha ", for example , meat dress Lady Gaga met with a barrage of poisonous comments worldwide , well, etc. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

This is not haute couture , it is just shocking to some part of its image.
I did not understand this gomoestetiku and all these fancies , their perversions, there really is a lot of " chernukha " which, incidentally , later became customary for the layman , and even fashionable , for example , clothing made ​​of leather with some metal studs , etc. etc.

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Сообщение от artcol; 2051361"

decipher a mysterious number.

I wrote - Luther's theses . There were 95, and their announcement of the Reformation .
And as the reformation (transformation , improvement ) - this is what many believe is required for the notorious " revival of the market of contemporary art ."
As I understand it , you know the theses of this recovery , because they have to beg. The twentieth century there somewhere .
So I recommend that you share them with vinzavodovskimi " Renovators " sovriska market .
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Сообщение от iside

how to create and develop the infrastructure of art

I think that the issue had to be put, not how to create, and for someone to create this infrastructure, and there is now able to build a community of this?

[iside]

Сообщение от Samvel; 2051691"

I think that the issue had to be put, not how to create, and for someone to create this infrastructure, and there is now able to build a community of this?

Samvel, especially for you:

I got the feeling that the concept of creativity (creative abilities) and the concept of a healthy, samoaktualiziruyuschihsya completely humane personality converge closer and closer, and perhaps will be the same.

Another conclusion to which I am inclined (even being not quite sure of the available facts at my disposal), consists in the fact that art education, or rather, education through art is significant not only for the emergence of artists or works of art, but for best appearance people.

If we have a clear focus on the humanistic goals of education, if we hope that our children will become fully human, and will move to the mainstream of their potency, as far as I can tell, the only existing form of education today, which contains at least a hint of such goals - is an art education.

Thus, education through art does not interest me, because thanks to him, there are pictures, but because it is possible that with the right understanding of it, it will be a paradigm for the rest of education.

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If, instead of treating it as a decoration and consumer-to treat it like it is now accepted, we will approach it very seriously and will work on it hard enough, and if it proves so, than, as some of us, it can be - then maybe one day we will start to teach arithmetic, reading and writing in this paradigm.

That's why I'm interested in education through the arts: it seems to me an example of proper education. I'm talking here about education in general.


I return to my subject. I'm talking about the work, which aims to - people that do not require a fixed and stable, "frozen" the world is to live as their fathers lived. Such people will surely look into the future without knowing what will happen, but relying on his ability to improvise in a situation ever arises. This means a new type of man - it can be called Geraklitovym. A society that can bring these people survive, and those of society who can not cope with it will die.

You can see that I pay attention mainly on the ability to improvise and inspiration, rather than on creativity in the sense of receiving the completed works of art, great creative achievements. In fact, today I did not touch the completed creative results.

Why not?

The fact that the psychological analysis of the process of creativity and creative individuals indicates the need to distinguish between primary and secondary creativity. Primary creativity corresponds to the phase of inspiration, and the secondary - the development phase. The latter requires not only creative abilities, as such, but also relies heavily on a simple hard work, the discipline of the artist, spends half his life at times to master the tools, skills, materials, until it finally fails to fully express what he sees.

I am sure that many people awake at night, full of inspiration about the novel, they write, or poems, or plays, or whatever. However, most of these acts of inspiration as to anything and does not lead. In this sense, the inspiration worthless.

Between inspiration and the final product, such as "War and Peace," Tolstoy, is a tremendous amount of hard work, discipline, training, exercises, practice, repetition, throwing first drafts, etc.

Secondary creativity, as expressed in actual products, including the great works of art, in the great novels, in bridges, in inventions, in the same way as the data on the creative personality, based on other virtues: perseverance, patience and hard work . Therefore, for the purity of the argument seems to me necessary to focus on improvisation at the first flash of inspiration, and yet not to think about outcomes, recognizing that many of these outbreaks do not lead to anything.
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Merging the individual with the world. Conclude with an indication of his thoughts on the merger of the individual with its world. Such a merger has repeatedly been reported as an observable fact, inherent creativity. We now have reason to consider it as a necessary condition for creativity. I believe that the web of relationships that I have tried to unravel and address may help us understand this merger as a natural event rather than as something mystical or esoteric. I think its even possible to explore, if we understand it as a kind of isomorphism, all the better mutual adaptation and complementarity, as an alloy.

And I finally understand what he meant by Hokusai, who said:

"If you want to draw a bird, you must be a bird."

A. Maslov \\\\ New Frontiers of human nature \\\\ Part II. Creativity \\\\ 4. Creative plant

After you read suggest to compare this with this:

I watched the transfer of a harrowing, where interviewed various Italian cultural figures, a selection of characters that is was a great All were primarily interested enthusiasts (about the same warehouse, and a sister Prokhorov - Irina), but not those who sit in the workplace, getting paid and then could not care less. But the conclusion was very tragic - without art, without the cultural development of society can not, can not progress, the evolution is impossible. That art is a special matter, which gives a special boost, or awakens in the minds and hearts, without which we would have remained primitive creatures.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

I wrote - Luther's theses. There were 95, and their announcement of the Reformation.
And as the reformation (transformation, improvement) - this is what many believe is required for the notorious "revival of the market of contemporary art."
As I understand it, you know the theses of this recovery, because they have to beg. The twentieth century there somewhere.

So I recommend that you share them with vinzavodovskimi "Renovators" sovriska market.
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About Luther had not noticed, and although in principle it was clear what I mean, I decided to clarify. No, I'm talking about other theses mentioned, other property and the environment.

In general, it is now clear that Isis are interested in the infrastructure of art, not the infrastructure of the art market. However, I would like to understand - why develop it? That is, bring context to the discussion. For the development of a society and its individual members, or for the development of art itself, or for the practice and experience of those who are going to develop it, etc.
Again - the question whether the high art (the elite), or a mass, or at all - about creativity.

Otherwise, we say in different con texts and get salad.

[iside]

Сообщение от artcol; 2051861"

In general, it is now clear that Isis are interested in the infrastructure of art, not the infrastructure of the art market .

artcol, so forgive me, and the topic , then what is the name ? <! - 7 ~ ~ -> How to develop the infrastructure of the art market , I know , I think , and others as well .

Сообщение от artcol; 2051861"

However , I would like to understand - why develop it ?

For what ? ? Well, at least because they live among the world much more pleasant than in darkness. Take as an example of a staircase (I'm not talking about luxury housing ) , but about an ordinary staircase in a house in which millions across Russia. You like more in the spirit, spat , dirty staircase, an elevator , which defecate ? Or a cozy , clean entrance , where there are flowers on the windowsill ?

Art market - it is the suspension of the primary institutions that have grown , filtered and shows the first time, talents, and future stars of the art market . Quality programs , quality developments, most of these primary institutions is directly related to the general level of culture, if it progresses or regresses .

[Maskit]

Cyril Syzran , I want to see that your statement about my performances on the neprisutstvii Mavromatti over oshibochno.Do his Departure to Bulgaria, I have attended many , and some also participated. In one of them washed the monument to Dzerzhinsky powder , Dosya ,, where the monument stood near the Central House of Artists , and when Putin came to power . I am interested in all forms of art not by hearsay , but from the inside . Well acquainted with the other , many aktualschikami make interesting films , such as Gosh Ostretsov . , And many of his works and spinning on the vulgarity , this is a dead end , alas , and it is claimed by the organizers of this tusni.Ochen a bad selection of art in this field and many Western rehashing . With this bezpredelom and must be fought.

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Сообщение от iside; 2051891"

as more of you in spirit, spat , dirty staircase, an elevator , which defecate ? Or a cozy , clean entrance , where there are flowers on the windowsill ?

Unfortunately, I must disappoint you : artcol y dearer grubby building entrances .
He , iside, just do not see the others.
But the funny thing - he did not believe that there are other and did not even try to verify the stories of those who saw those entrances with flowers.
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Сообщение от Maskit; 2051931"

Kirill Syzran , I want to see that your statement about my performances on the neprisutstvii Mavromatti over oshibochno.Do his Departure to Bulgaria, I have attended many , and some also participated.

Maybe wrong.
But .
Reading on the forum and you know that you being here - a form of mockery and trolling all and all , I suspect that the story of your presence on the performances of Oleg Mavromatti banter , too , and trolling .
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