What distinguishes the true artist from not present?

[Peter]

This artist is the one who has a dream, who did not break down under the pressure of life circumstances who are not sold his soul to the golden calf and who is a little embarrassing if his art is extolled beyond measure.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Peter

This artist is the one who has a dream, who did not break down under the pressure of life circumstances who are not sold his soul to the golden calf

A good proposition, but it fits rather good man than a good artist. You can recall a number of stories, when great artists, musicians, actors ... and broke, and sold ... But their works live on and remain in the stories they (the work), but not the unseemly facts of life ...
For me a good artist - is primarily a specialist, speaks perfect their profession (nobody argues. That is a profession). Here I see an objective factor. And then flights of fantasy and the like - as a subjective factor. Good - one that can do well, what should I do a professional.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от iside

 I think that everyone in judging the artist, who called the "real, who do not" choose what he likes and what he is close.

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Vot zdes', ia dumaiu, vy absoliutno pravy. Opredelenie nastoiaschego hudoznika my vse prelomliaem cheres prizmy svoei lichnosti. Imenno poetomu poniatie NH i iavliaetsia ochen 'i ochen' sub'ektivnym.

Prosto hotelos' by naiti rabochuiu versiiu etogo poniatiia, chto by ne putat'sia v kategoriiah.

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Сообщение от iside

These two old ladies and I AlexanderG?

Zdorovo! Ia daze sebe predstavil, kak my sidim i razgovarivaem
Riadom koshki, deti-sorvantsy begaiut, a my o vechnom ..

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

Pavel,
 The artist currently recognized vremenem.tolko so you can rassudit.ne namreshat-nastoyaschiy.a someone who is not from deystvuyuschih.Vse will fall into place.

Sovsem ne obiazatel'no. Vo vremeni ne vsio sohraniaetsia. (Grunevald - Durer).


The artist currently working. Potomu.chto can not work on drugomu.potrebnost dushi.V feel the soul (if it is not obyazalovka or earning dough)

A kak vy chuvstvuete dushu? Chem izmeriaete ee vlozenie - dushemerom? A potom govorite, chto v etoi kartine dusha nedovlozena na 25%? Ia ne izdevaius ', a pytaius' naiti ob'ektivnye kriterii. Dusha segodnia takim kriteriem ne iavliaetsia. Ravno, ka i talant. Na vzgliad odnogo cheloveka, etot hudoznik talantliv, a na vzgliad drugogo - net. Kak priiti k obschemu resheniiu?


Most sluchaev.narodny zasluzhennyy.i and even newfangled ratings-quite fair and assessment for today's society (and society. Est.chtozh is a reproach to the mirror)

Obshestvo toze evoliutsioniruet.

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Сообщение от Posav

If the reason for the old-fashioned way, it is a true artist who does not kitsch, but this is not true that this makes kitsch.

Chto tak ze ves'ma sub'ektivno.

The concept of an artist who makes kitsch "smoothly flows into the other subspecies" corrupt artist. " Venal artist - a subspecies appeared in the era of PR. and watered. technologies. That such Gavrik that work in favor of a certain polit.tehnologa in the art.

Naprimer Karavadzio i mnogie s nim rabotali na raskrutku Katolicheskoi tserkvi.


 Still there are not real, it do not have their own person, and mow at other more successful artist.

Eto delali vse, vkliuchaia Pikasso, Braka, impressionistov, avangardistov

 Although if he is strong in technology, it is an artist, but not quite real until it finds it his face.
There are so-called blank artist. That which draws and replicates nikchmennoe, empty, transitory, not actual. Although if he does technical mastery, it is not so tragic.

A Pirosmani vyveski k magazinam i restoranam delal ...

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Сообщение от Peter

This artist is the one who has a dream

Mechta o chiom? O velikom, o brennom? Slishkom obscho.

who did not break down under the pressure of life circumstances,

 Sredi slomavshihsia nemalo zamechatel'nyh. Mnogie daze samoubiistvom zakonchili.

who are not sold his soul to the golden calf

Etogo eschio nikto ne sdelal.

and who is a little embarrassing if his art is extolled beyond measure.

Zachem stydit'sia svoih zaslug?

[Posav]

It is a pity that this forum can not provide quotes from a long message. Caravaggio is a religious art. The USSR was an ideological art of the ruling regime. Today's ruling also zhaluyut certain direction and the other is called not true.
For me, all the same criterion is "kitsch is kitsch or not, well, an element of corruption, pandering always stuck with kitsch.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Posav

It is a pity that this forum can not provide quotes from a long message. Caravaggio is a religious art. The USSR was an ideological art of the ruling regime. Today's ruling also zhaluyut certain direction and the other is called not true.

Religioznoe, ili ideologicheskoe, ili sotsialisticheskoe, ili kapitalisticheskoe raznitsy ze net nikakoi, pravilno?
Prosto v to vremia byla drugaia ideologiia i hudozniki rabotali v etom napravlenii.

[iside]

Сообщение от Posav

For me, all the same criterion is "kitsch is kitsch or not"

Yes, I think many of the artists present at this forum adhere to this formula, I'm good - and you're bad "

[L-ana64110]

Сообщение от iside

Yes, I think many of the artists present at this forum adhere to this formula, I'm good - but you are bad "

Here it is very erroneous opinion, for the serious artist does not define good or bad, in fact criticized, sometimes harshly, but with the intent to help a colleague if the level of course approximately equal to, if the artist is a beginner-to delicately,,, well this is a delicate matter and a very individually.
Moreover, determining who is present or not in force and dreaming, Gal, and dealers simply buyers and collectors are very different,,,
and in general the question is not professional,,
reminiscent of the Nazis with their definitions of pure Aryan nation,,,
humiliating it all,,, allocate people into categories,,,

[iside]

Сообщение от L-ana64110

for the serious artist does not define good or bad

Well, how to understand what the artist is serious and what not?

In the end, all turns out well - subjectively.

[AlexanderG]

I snova vopros, a tak li uz nepredvziaty art kritiki, iskusstvovedy, istoriki?

Ved 'oni toze liudi, i prosto vyskazyvaiut svoio mnenie.

To est 'opiat' k nachalu - mnenie vs mnenie.

[artcol]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

I snova vopros, a tak li uz nepredvziaty art kritiki, iskusstvovedy, istoriki?

Spoken word - is a lie

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Ved 'oni toze liudi, i prosto vyskazyvaiut svoio mnenie.

Yes, they are people, but they are professionals. This is another hypostasis rights.