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Старый 13.10.2009, 23:53 Язык оригинала: Русский       #11
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Repin, Ilya Efimovich "LevTolstoy tramp" (fragment) 1901
   I protest! Lev Nikolayevich barefoot I room was not, he still was the count and secured chelovekom.A here barefoot and com sometimes walked.



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Старый 14.10.2009, 02:09 Язык оригинала: Русский       #12
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Lev Nikolayevich tramp was not, he still was the count and secured. But sometimes barefoot walking.
Sir, what to take with them? (Repin IE Tolstoy barefoot. 1901. RM)
 
    , our great Russian writer
    Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy
    There he ate no fish, no meat,
    I walked through the village barefoot.
 
       His wife - Sophia Andreyevna
       On the contrary - she loved to eat.
       She did not go barefoot.
       Blyula, know aristocratic honor
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Старый 14.10.2009, 14:35 Язык оригинала: Русский       #13
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Maybe he Repin and made
It is doubtful that ... Mate that yes, signed, but mostly on the plate. And here - on the plate no signature, it is (or rather, was) lower than a pencil. And it is not simply unreadable, and artificially wiped, which can be seen under magnification. Why and by whom was this done? Repin himself would not do this, probably just destroyed a list if I were them displeased. A signature Repin no one else would wipe up unreadable. Conclusion - not Mate and Repin. Why reinstall? And to all thought: "What if Repin?" And obviously wiped amateurishly. Do not think that the damage a work of art that even the shrewdest meaningless: it does not increase, and lowers its price. But who the author really? Riddle. It is necessary to search the web for the second copy of this print - with the signature.



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Graf, what to take with them? (Repin IE Tolstoy barefoot. 1901. RM)
Here's an interesting collection of messages from the Russian press in 1903

06 March (February 21) 1903
Petersburg newspaper

Two years ago, Ilya Repin exhibited at the Wanderers portrait of Leo Tolstoy, and depicted the great writer's barefoot.
They say that when Tolstoy learned about this his portrait, he wrote Repin: "Thank you, Ilya Efimovich that razuv me, you left me at least trousers.
If, indeed, Tolstoy turned with the words to Repin, there is no doubt that he was not entirely satisfied with the image of himself in the picture without his boots. But in this case that should have to be a great writer, learning about the appearance of paintings in the exhibition, where it appears not so much bare, but this time without the most necessary articles of dress of all men.
In short, they found an artist who stripped to his picture of Tolstoy that Repin's still not decided to withdraw from the great writer.
Such a picture of the audience to contemplate having to open the exhibition on Sunday, St. Petersburg. artists.
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From the picture, N. Bunin, depicted Yasnaya Polyana hermit on the shores of the river, dressed in a shirt, with bare feet Tolstoy the artist above the knee.
Not true, is it original?
But that's not all ...
The artist, obviously, found that in such a form of Tolstoy somehow awkward pose, and one for the company, next to him portrayed, literally in the same form, Repin!
Perhaps, in relation to Repin it was a small revenge for Tolstoy?
They say you took off the thick boots, so I'm for it I shall take your trousers ...

Russian sheet

The exhibition of the St. Petersburg Society of Artists in the Arcade pays great attention to the picture N. Bunin "Fishing", which depicts in some shirts gr. Tolstoi and Repin, fishing fantasies.

14 (01) March 1903
News of the day

As is well known in the exhibition of the St. Petersburg Society of Artists painting appears Bunin, depicting Leo Nikolayevich Tolstoy, Repin in their shirts, trying to catch fish.
Recently, the exhibition has visited the son of Leo Tolstoy, Count L. Tolstoy, and see so outraged that he immediately sent a telegram to his father, asking him for advice on how to do that with a painting exhibition was removed.
Reply from Leo Tolstoy must be followed if not today tomorrow, and if it turns out that by lawful means nothing can be done, Lev Tolstoy was going to make a protest against the printed works of Bunin, hoping to make it through the moral influence on the author's paintings and the exhibition committee.

16 (03) March 1903
Stock Exchange News

Sunday, March 2, about five o'clock in the exhibition society of St. Petersburg artists a scandal caused by joined the unhappy picture of Bunin "Fishing".
One of the attendees, who turned a Moscow journalist, the Lyuboshits, went to the scene and Bunin, snatching a pencil and wrote the entire length of the canvas, the word "abomination."
Members of the jury rushed to g.Lyuboshitsu, wanting to seize him, but g.Lyuboshits energetically exclaimed:
"First, someone touches me, I'll give you a slap, I did it deliberately!" Yesterday I spent the whole day with Count Tolstoy. Today, I see at the exhibition this outrageous daub! "No I did not dare to apprehend. I'll stay." Send for the police! "
They sent for the police. ...
Some of the audience immediately wrote a protest against the publication of this painting in the exhibition and presented his city Lyuboshits. Under protest signed up 40 people.

17 (04) March 1903
Stock Exchange News

... The same day, "Fishing" with Moscow saying "an abomination" on it was removed. [...]
Besides advertising artist and journalist Bunin Lyuboshits - in the exhibition cash poured money. In the early days of the exhibition visitors were on a daily basis about forty, when talking about "Fishing" visitors began to be hundreds, March 2, there were more than 1000. Monday to two hours of the day of the tickets sold over 400 .[...]
In order not to disturb the public false hopes to see the cumulative product of years. Bunin and Lyuboshits - will be hung at the entrance to sold-out withdrawal "Fishing".

26 (13) March 1903
News of the day

Artist Bunin, by painting "Fishing" talked with the employee "News" and, among other things, said:
"I admire Tolstoy as a writer and a great novelist, but his eccentricities, I always found ridiculous and never approved of those who built the Tolstoy cult. This is totally blind worship of Tolstoy, I always considered a wild and funny. In my picture, however, against Tolstoy nothing. If I drew near him Repin, it is because he is building in Tolstoy cult. After all, in which only the poses and the pictures are not redrawn Repin Tolstoy ...
According to Bunin, a civil action to Lyuboshits he did not intend to bring, and lucky her painting in Berlin, where she is very interested, and from there it gets a lot of proposals.

16 (03) April 1903
Moscow sheet

April 2 in the chamber magistrate's 2-nd section of the case was tried on charges of Kiev mesch. Lyuboshits, written on a canvas Bunin word "abomination." The case drew a lot of the audience, among whom were many artists. Lyuboshits himself at the trial was not. ...
The magistrate, recognizing Lyuboshits guilty under Art. 14 and 38 OT. mouth. of NAC., sentenced him in absentia decision to arrest for 6 days without the option of a fine.

07 May (April 24) 1903
New Age

<...> Leo Tolstoy in his rustic retreat so little interested in the notorious "One Day", which breathes the city. Granted, he knows everything, for everyone watching, all the reads. Ask him about what may be, and all get a calm response. Even issues that seem related to him personally, do not cause it the slightest emotion.
- Did you ever see a picture Bunin? - I asked.
- Did you see in the picture.
- Well, what say?
- Nothing. I have long been public domain and therefore not surprised at anything ...<...>

Source - http://starosti.ru/key_article.php?k...?? ?? ????????
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Mr. Lyuboshits was not weak as a journalist, but at the time, but today his "courage" is not above courage O. Kulik obgadivshego museum, someone will say-performance, a new word in art, but I will say, filth and rubbish. : shy:



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Старый 14.10.2009, 21:08 Язык оригинала: Русский       #16
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Ruff, where here valor? Mores were much more decent. I'm talking about those times and not about the picture.
And about the picture ... that same peasants in the pants to fish? Yes, even in the boots? The truth of life that she had been offended?



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Старый 14.10.2009, 21:28 Язык оригинала: Русский       #17
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Ruff, where here valor? Mores were much more decent.
  Uv.naslednik, so here I am about the same! You live in Russia? : shy:



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Why should reinstall? And to all thought: "What if Repin?" And obviously wiped amateurishly. Do not think that the damage a work of art that even the shrewdest meaningless: it does not increase, and lowers its price. But who the author really? Riddle. It is necessary to search the web for the second copy of this print - with the signature.
Ah, if only I could ask that someone erased the signature! Why fool ster?
Leaf lying in a normal folder with patterns, drawings for embroidery and illustrations from newspapers and magazines early last veka.Za folder with all its contents have requested 40 hryvnia (5 $). What kind of utilitarianism here too!
Of course, very interested to know who the author. Await a reply from the State Museum of Leo Tolstoy.



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"On Sunday, March 2, about five o'clock in the exhibition society of St. Petersburg artists a scandal caused by joined the unhappy picture of Bunin" Fishing ".
One of the attendees, who turned a Moscow journalist, the Lyuboshits, went to the scene and Bunin, snatching a pencil and wrote the entire length of the canvas, the word "abomination."
Members of the jury rushed to g.Lyuboshitsu, wanting to seize him, but g.Lyuboshits energetically exclaimed:
"First, someone touches me, I'll give you a slap! I did it deliberately!" Yesterday I spent the whole day with Count Tolstoy. Today, I see at the exhibition this outrageous daub! "No I did not dare to apprehend. I myself stay. Send for the police! "
They sent for the police. ... "

   In modern Russia's reality this "energetic" idiot-g.Lyuboshitsu guards can fight to ##### lei, so teach bylo.I this all Exercise onogo figure once and for all would have ended ..: rolleyes:

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Graf, what to take with them? (Repin IE Tolstoy barefoot. 1901. RM)
 
    , our great Russian writer
    Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy
    There he ate no fish, no meat,
    I walked through the village barefoot.
 
       His wife - Sophia Andreyevna
       On the contrary - she loved to eat.
       She did not go barefoot.
       Blyula, know aristocratic honor
   Sung to the tune of: "I was a battalion razvedchik.A on-pisarishka shtabnoy.Ya was for Russia otvetchik.A he was sleeping with my wife .." etc. : rolleyes:

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Bring on the power of possibilities ..: rolleyes:
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