Elena Basner - arrest of a respected expert! Your opinion?

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Originally Posted by Solnce

I do not advise to do the examination of hundreds of thousands of pictures and up - too much risk . Fakes are shops .
One accomplice bandit you can pass dubious thing and then another " buy " it and all - you got under extortion and looting . " Shit sold him into prison , home collection , all taken away. " You never thought about it ?
I do not mean "papers " Petrova and not about saying " svoyachkovye " expertise. I'm talking about the normal technical and technological expertise and talking about knowledge of museum collections of standards . Expertise does not happen enough . Maybe just the right information to emerge , such as " was this thing we have been ... " Do not be stingy , not risk . I'm not talking about bribes experts . An ordinary visiting expert " on the street" and without overpayments .

 Oddities what you write, so do not be angry . I do not buy
 questionable thing is not for " accomplices bandits " not their " associates ." <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Firstly try to acquire, what like, but try this
 learn to understand. When the direction of what art you
 sincerely care about - it is much easier to do , and if not interested
 even more difficult to understand .
 Secondly, try to communicate with people experienced , there is always
 opportunity to learn .
 Thirdly, that even among the questionable things , I try to see things
 authentic , it happens sometimes .
 I think not buy fake or valid for $ 200 or 100
 thousands .
 I repeat - I do not buy a thing if he does not believe in it , of course opinion
 expert is important , but the money that I pay. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Originally Posted by Alekseev

Surely there are passionate collectors , but in relation to examinations better believe the experts - after many years , and sometimes multi-decadal experience with things standards makes itself felt . Though of course , much depends on the particular specialist and his talent .

Yes indeed work with standards , just often prevents experts properly understand the authenticity of the product . Better, certainly so in the old book was the work of the pre-revolutionary or exhibition lit. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

And you know what to say then I'll have the money , not the expert ?

[Solnce]

Originally Posted by acetate ; 3000721 ​​

Strange what you write, so do not be angry . I do not buy
 questionable thing is not for " accomplices bandits " not their " associates ." <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Firstly try to acquire, what like, but try this
 learn to understand. When the direction of what art you
 sincerely care about - it is much easier to do , and if not interested
 even more difficult to understand .
 Secondly, try to communicate with people experienced , there is always
 opportunity to learn .
 Thirdly, that even among the questionable things , I try to see things
 authentic , it happens sometimes .
 I think not buy fake or valid for $ 200 or 100
 thousands .
 I repeat - I do not buy a thing if he does not believe in it , of course opinion
 expert is important , but the money that I pay. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Added after 3 minutes

Yes indeed work with standards , just often prevents experts properly understand the authenticity of the product . Better, certainly so in the old book was the work of the pre-revolutionary or exhibition lit. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

And you know what to say then I'll have the money , not the expert ?

"Collaborators bandits " and their " associates " You will not notice at first . A granny with " Provenance " send <! - ~ 7 ~ -> .
Painting should recheck the experts compare with the material standards . Perhaps it is easier to buy a printed schedule , but painting old author is best to check .

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[Solnce]

Originally Posted by acetate ; 3000721 ​​

Strange what you write, so do not be angry . I do not buy
 questionable thing is not for " accomplices bandits " not their " associates ." <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Firstly try to acquire, what like, but try this
 learn to understand. When the direction of what art you
 sincerely care about - it is much easier to do , and if not interested
 even more difficult to understand .
 Secondly, try to communicate with people experienced , there is always
 opportunity to learn .
 Thirdly, that even among the questionable things , I try to see things
 authentic , it happens sometimes .
 I think not buy fake or valid for $ 200 or 100
 thousands .
 I repeat - I do not buy a thing if he does not believe in it , of course opinion
 expert is important , but the money that I pay. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Added after 3 minutes

Yes indeed work with standards , just often prevents experts properly understand the authenticity of the product . Better, certainly so in the old book was the work of the pre-revolutionary or exhibition lit. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

And you know what to say then I'll have the money , not the expert ?

Where is the contradiction? Need and archival research and technology , and of course your opinion decisive . If you do not like the item , what the conversation ? The entire complex is needed if a serious bargain .
I would place Vasilyeva and THG and belt and Grabar be interviewed before the deal . He then went on . The strange thing is ...

[Алексеев]

Originally Posted by osamnen; 3001181"

" Art Consulting" insures conclusions constitute not only their experts and lawyers, and so make that read 4 times you may realize that even in the event of an error , you have a chance to receive compensation almost no .

I'm sorry, late reply , but nonetheless. Art Consulting for several years does not insure its findings . And this inscription on the top left in the conclusions , now missing. And the couple of times when AK sued finishes for plaintiffs nothing , because for compensation must prove actual loss that our reality is not always possible and the real error expert - and this will find an opponent .

Originally Posted by acetate ; 3000721 ​​"

Yes indeed work with standards , just often prevents experts properly understand the authenticity of the product . Better, certainly so in the old book was the work of the pre-revolutionary or exhibition lit.

And you know what to say then I'll have the money , not the expert ?

It is better to buy from the family , but there do not give guarantees . Standards about how they can prevent it? On what scientific work is to explore where the artist could be at this time , find a museum works, written at the same time , try to identify the matching paint , white paint , canvas structures , terrain , etc.
Respond in any case the owner of the painting , it's true. I once on the forum have said that it is necessary to do things worthy of examination with the number of experts on the artist , which will appeal to no one.

Originally Posted by acetate ; 3001941"

Are discuss what experts NINE and some Grabar
the same people , except for some individuals , some worked there previously , others now . In NINE invite from
Grabar, to make technological artkonsaltinge (analysis of pigments
UV , multiple shooting , etc. ) , often this
and limited to, want to get art history - invite those
same experts or employees of Grabar Tretyakov Gallery.

It is natural that the same experts . Who are the best judge , rather than the man who more than a dozen worked directly with things ?
Art Consulting limited technology unless it and bought . It will owners of the paintings . At least they do it always. And without art- technology does not happen. And now they check Rosepidnadzora and they do not do x-rays, found there are some violations .

[Solnce]

Originally Posted by Alekseev

Sorry , late reply , but nonetheless. Art Consulting for several years does not insure its findings . And this inscription on the top left in the conclusions , now missing. And the couple of times when AK sued finishes for plaintiffs nothing , because for compensation must prove actual loss that our reality is not always possible and the real error expert - and this will find an opponent .

It is better to buy from the family , but there do not give guarantees . Standards about how they can prevent it? On what scientific work is to explore where the artist could be at this time , find a museum works, written at the same time , try to identify the matching paint , white paint , canvas structures , terrain , etc.
Respond in any case the owner of the painting , it's true. I once on the forum have said that it is necessary to do things worthy of examination with the number of experts on the artist , which will appeal to no one.

It is natural that the same experts . Who are the best judge , rather than the man who more than a dozen worked directly with things ?
Art Consulting limited technology unless it and bought . It will owners of the paintings . At least they do it always. And without art- technology does not happen. And now they check Rosepidnadzora and they do not do x-rays, found there are some violations .

" It is better to buy from the family , but there do not give guarantees . " <! - ~ 9 ~ -> It would be ideal to buy from the family. But, it's Russia - war, revolution, confiscation and expropriation of the kulaks . Families very little left . Or do not engage in the old pictures , or still dealing with examinations nalalit <! - ~ 9 ~ ->

" And now they check Rosepidnadzora and they do not do x-rays ." Made this commercial hub of X-rays and what to do ? Right - to be compared with the X-rays with the standard, and it is necessary to take a picture of this period of the master. Standards and materials with them - in museums.
Why reinvent the wheel ? In the Louvre examination fee at their laboratory . Anyway back to the examination at the Hermitage Museum , the State Tretyakov Gallery , etc. Legally, all this should be fixed of course , the responsibility of the material to enter the expert premises to accommodate. Without standards in any way ...

[Konstantin]

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