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Старый 25.01.2012, 21:45 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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The Court is already underway.
Not fun .
He is long and will go a long time. Protection has not yet appeared . Saw last week. Saw these unfortunate announcement of the purchase of books - there everywhere , in large letters is written, that copies of the library's Stamps and stamps are not considered.
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Старый 25.01.2012, 21:48 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2
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In general, a terrible situation.

Like a bad dream.
Hard to believe that it all happens in real life.



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Старый 25.01.2012, 21:58 Язык оригинала: Русский       #3
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there anywhere written in large letters , that copies of the library's Stamps and stamps are not considered.
And what does that prove?
Interestingly, and as a defense is going to prove no criminal origin of the ill-fated collage of MFN in the collection of Borovkov ?



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Старый 27.01.2012, 06:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #4
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Direct dialogue with the unique (in my subjective opinion) - Police creature, I am a little interesting, but for others reading this thread, I will explain about the pictures can not be bought AB.
I, like, quite understandably wrote, "For many years":
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helper for many years without even listening to offers to buy paintings, always responding to their principled refusal: "No, I buy only books, pictures I do not need . " The only grounds for such a position has been concern about the purity of the collection, because, obviously, that the percentage of dubious authenticity in painting things immeasurably higher. He refused, apparently losing on this one, even from things hundred percent of very good houses. Just unsympathetic to him were all these games with confirmation-examinations, he shied away from them.
Clearly, it is about time that preceded the opening of the gallery in the House of Artists, and the period when B was in the shop on Prospect Mira, that is, about 90 and a part of the 2000s. A store is a store, it is not personal collection, there are other rules of the game.
And the man in this sense, B. was truly - special, so that, with a hypothetical example of a painting by Goncharova, from which B, as well as any other reasonable person supposedly could not refuse, too, is unconvincing. Personally, I bought on the recommendation of BS in the 90s with relatives of the artist painting a few things Olga Rozanova (well, nothing Goncharova?!). In this case no "kickbacks" and other forms of gratitude on my part did not specify in advance!

And, as I understand it, nothing but the criminal origin of collage until proven. Thus, this collage, irrespective of origin, getting to market, 90%still had to be in the collection of B., where else?! The rest of the proof, it is - the learned testimony bumbling criminals.
And generally, I think I agree with Khmelev (Khmelev a Khmelev and sober thinking!)
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someone, obviously, Mr. Borovkov greatly annoy. Can sell something that is not a man capable of such a rigid way of justice? How loud is not so long ago fired the gentleman Khochinsky - and where is he now? However, having no information other than the police, judge not.
. Here B. As far as I know, and he lost in conjectures ...

And yet, I would like to clarify for myself (I'm not an expert): In the 4 th page of television reports said that up to court BN could lose the property. If so, then the custom nature of the case it is confirmed. But, if the article is "konfiskatnaya," then why is the "property" is not even imposed a temporary arrest and BA still has access to it?




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Старый 27.01.2012, 08:50 Язык оригинала: Русский       #5
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But if the article " konfiskatnaya ," then why is the " property " is not put under temporary arrest , and even Boris still has access to it
At best, because first we razobratsya what part of the property acquired by legal means, and what - criminal. Confiscate crime can only be acquired or to award monetary compensation in return of the property .



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Старый 27.01.2012, 11:39 Язык оригинала: Русский       #6
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Personally, I bought on the recommendation of BS in the 90s with relatives of the artist painting a few things Olga Rozanova (well, nothing Goncharova?!).
In this case no "kickbacks" and other forms of gratitude on my part did not specify in advance!
It is so unrealistic in the case of B. I understood the meaning of your stories. That is, there is such a besserebrennik-scribe Tolia B., something as simple as "a penny", distributing right and left versions of Rozanova, Malevich and others,
to have driven from St. Petersburg who was unfairly cops who "sewed" high-profile case and is now waiting for when the extraordinary fall pip.
We should support, picketed outside the courthouse, hunger, etc.
I've heard a lot of other conversations, where more B. acts as a "vulture" (similar to second-hand Corso from the movie "The 9th Gate", only much worse).
The difference is that your story about Rozanov can not be verified, and listen to stories about B. - Sage can be in Petrograd and Moscow scribes.

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And, as I understand it, nothing but the criminal origin of collage until proven.
Thus, this collage, irrespective of origin, getting to market, 90%still had to be in the collection of B., where else?!
Well, these morons have come to the MFN of the millions of books chosen this, chose this illustration. Then tens of thousands of cities
on Earth have chosen Moscow, and without thinking twice rushed there. Well, there where? Of course for BA, where else, all roads lead to B, a small town Moscow.
Well, at this time Boris simple "collector" vanguard sitting with a headache and wanted to Hit the illustration ...
And then what happened happened ... B. bought this unfortunate collage, probably in a state of "temporary insanity"
as did not notice that collage ripped from another copy. and quite forgetting that this collage is absolutely unreal to buy separately (easier to buy a whole book with collage) ...

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And generally, I think I agree with Khmelev
 
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someone, obviously, Mr. Borovkov greatly annoy. Can sell something that is not a man capable of such a rigid way of justice?
This version can be considered ... In order to delusions ...
Although hardly anyone else was soil oneself ...

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But, if the article is "konfiskatnaya"
then why is the "property" is not even imposed a temporary arrest and BA still has access to it?
Well, this was better to ask himself B., because he, in my opinion, had once passed through the seizure.



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Analitik, you sling mud at a person whose guilt has not been proved.
Do you comment.
All subsequent messages in this spirit will be removed.



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The presumption of innocence has not been canceled ... If you have any remarks , one must be careful ...

I do not understand the role ANALYST ? Do you have any interest ..? expose ? You are a representative of the prosecutor's office ? compete in the general field ? or just like to dance on the bones ?

with Mr. Borovkov not know ... I can advise to the public , to an independent examination to determine the relations /awareness /involvement in this act, a polygraph ... The results are published ...
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Старый 27.01.2012, 16:44 Язык оригинала: Русский       #9
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It's so unrealistic in the case of B. I understood the meaning of your stories. That is, there is such a besserebrennik-scribe Tolia B., something as simple as "a penny", distributing right and left versions of Rozanova, Malevich and others,
to have driven from St. Petersburg who was unfairly cops who "sewed" high-profile case and is now waiting for when the extraordinary fall pip.
We should support, picketed outside the courthouse, hunger, etc.
I've heard a lot of other conversations, where more B. acts as a "vulture" (similar to second-hand Corso from the movie "The 9th Gate", only much worse).
The difference is that your story about Rozanov can not be verified, and listen to stories about B. - Sage can be in Petrograd and Moscow scribes.
I do not know too interesting to dispel doubts about whose in my honesty. People who know me personally, whose opinion I value, including many of the participants of this forum are well aware that I am not a liar. Preserved and photographs of those works Rozanov and her writing, even something of malodokazuemyh pocherkushek doavangardnogo period. Even people who have purchased it, I think, are alive and well and remembers me and B. If there had been summoned to testify, or someone from respected members of the forum showed a noble academic interest, I think, would be able to find it all.

Note here that does not reward the epithets such as "mythical" Your stories Moscow and St. Petersburg about the scribes Boris, who allegedly somewhere you can listen to it. I have no doubt, by the way that these stories somewhere locked ("we have all the moves are written" (c)) and you had heard them in the course of the investigation is enough.
I am also sure that you have done your job well, but otherwise it can not be - in the research department imbeciles do not keep!
A police officer shall be
"... In the proper proportions of gifted by nature the properties required by this class - namely, the lack of prudery and alienated masterovitostyu mercenary." (C)
This, if anything, the last novel, I think, beloved by you to the author, on whose book the film was made said, "The Ninth Gate".
It is also clear that in this forum You not enjoying yourself, and doing quite clear and specific task - to convince the community of antique B. No guilt to you about this claim - a job ... Therefore, leave unanswered those "in the manner of delusion" and your ironical call for pickets and hunger strikes. Here, however, it is easy to assume that (according to Freud, his grandfather) of the pickets you very afraid, believing that if the court issues a verdict of guilty on trumped-up charges, the public reaction will inevitably follow.

And in the end. It sounded version that you Borovkova investigator. I am sure that it is not. I think that you - intelligent-looking and good-looking young man, together with the investigator, attending all sessions of the court. I therefore have a question (not required to answer, writing on the forum - is voluntary). Why did you [plural with a lowercase letter] - generally there go? Like, did their job - conducted investigations, collected materials, closed the case to court ... It would seem that conscience must be quiet, or more interesting activities there?
And maybe, just control their proteges witnesses of the accused, to those saying that they are entitled to?



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Why did you [ plural , in small letters ] - in general there go? Like, did their job - conducted investigations, collected materials , closed the case to court ... It would seem that conscience must be quiet, or more interesting activities there ?
And maybe , just control their proteges witnesses of the accused, to those saying that they are entitled to ?
Supervise the process , yes.
Cause a custom order and performing artists ( not the leaders of the registered cases , namely the " seamstress with white thread ") and to move the trial to control now .
Little that is not so go - instantly rushed to the detention facility and there once again to instruct defendants on their testimony, at the same time and remind them what was promised to knock off for slander Borovkov .



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