Photos from the rally in support of Andrei Erofeev, and Yuri Samodurov

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Сообщение от kr555

How to call in general is not important, let them at least the church would be called. For school trips more difficult, but I'm not sure that they were taken in the Sakharov Centre ... If you drove - that's what the organizers of both time and cost would be fined, and absolutely the case, but I doubt that they are so framed.

Trips there no one drove, of course. Well all right, everything is understood, it is time to end this topic.

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Сообщение от tchaika

The main thing - meaning.

Crest of the sincere belief
Who does far more harm to Orthodoxy?
June 12, 2010 Tagansky court of Moscow figured out with the organizers of notorious exhibition "Forbidden Art" - former director of the Andrei Sakharov Museum Yuri Samodurov and art critic Andrei Erofeev. They were convicted of inciting hatred all possible, but freed from the heavy sentences, only sentenced to a cumulative fine of 350 thousand rubles.
Many supporters Samodurova-Erofeev outraged by the fact of conviction. Although, in my opinion, should rejoice: after all, if the art of re-tried on criminal charges, then, this art has value. What remains to be art?

Frankly, unlike many of my friends and I do not sympathize with the organizers of exhibitions such as "Caution, Religion!" And "Forbidden Art". Christ - Mickey Mouse or the icon of black caviar - is a cheap PR, driven solely by vanity. An attempt to build a little bit of earthly glory at the expense of the eternal glory of the Savior. And I do not believe in a special creative boldness today hristobortsev. Embarking on this matter, they were confident of impunity. Legal and general. I do not think they have enough inner freedom to organize, say, an exhibition of cartoons on Ramzan Kadyrov, or festival of anti-Semitic poster.

And the fact that the notorious impunity was punished too well. Not only for art but also for public health. The sentence is not harsh, but fair - the perfect combination for a judicial verdict. But.

The more moving Tagans'kyi process, the greater the organizers of forbidden art seemed to me people quiet and even where a God-fearing. Against the background of those cases which navorochala over the past year our official Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. ROC MP. And clinging to her troops secular activists such as all kinds of associations of Orthodox citizens.

In the past year, as we recall, the ROC MP quiet but firm voice announced the beginning of the Orthodox mission. Comprehensive campaign for sleeping souls, not ripe for a Christian revival. Say, you're not in the Church? Then we go to you!

The vanguard of the missionaries were boozy bikers and rockers. They spent a Most Christian march on Sevastopol, was remembered by the presence of girls candid behavior with bare breasts. Thus began the great march toward mired in sin, Russian folk.

Missionary offensive continued into this year - on a broad front. On the eve of the World Russian People's Council (WRPC), which was held in May in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, the ROC MP decided instead of the traditional sacred procession to organize some patriarchal procession. In this case nobody intended to hide the fact that participants in this procession are driven by prefectures and other authorities on Orders. Among the students of Moscow universities and employees of state enterprises. As the Internet rapidly are randomly letters demanding that ship to the glory of God, so many souls May 24, 2010: "gathering of participants from 10.30 to 11.00 at: All Saints Avenue, Metro Kropotkinskaya. In this way, drive the 40,000 rally. Among them were representatives of Orthodox parishes, who came voluntarily, at the call of the heart. In the number 1000 (one thousand) people. Leaking information about how to organize the march Officials ROC MP without the slightest embarrassment: the main thing - result.

The very same cathedral remembered for this year's major event - an invitation to participate star glamor Ksenia Sobchak. The star, however, the invitation was not accepted, but WRPC came finally to the pages of hundreds of newspapers. However, in the society columns, but again the result is important. Obviously, the organizers of "Orthodox mission decided that the brand" Ksenia Sobchak "in modern Russia promoted more stronger than the" ROC MP. So, you can increase the capitalization of the second through the first. The marketing technique, you know.

In recent years the ROC MP tangible progress in returning himself of all property seized from the faithful in the Bolshevik times. Consensus official clergy with the secular authorities on this issue is close as ever. However, where it was about salvation here and now quite specific churches, ecclesiastical authorities had behaved in a more modest example. For example, when because of another high-end construction, a threat for the Church of the Resurrection in Kadashi. Orthodox activists, ordinary citizens rushed to Moscow under the bulldozers. The High priests discreetly silent. Although it was enough to pair calls to the phone with a yellow emblem of the deceased Soviet Union (this phone in ROC MP, of course, there is one) - and construction barbarism can be stopped. But our church does not want to niggle and jeopardize their relations with the rich /powerful people.

Especially in the mission ROC MP promotes the idea of building in different cities of the RF so-called fast-temples, which can be bungled a couple of nights. There is already an ideal model of the temple - an inflatable church. Production of the Netherlands. Puffed up the temple in the right place, performed the mission, blew, went further. It can be seen, for small - zero import duty on inflatable churches, to match the size of rollback sanctity of the enterprise.

The ecclesiastical authorities in general, more and more interested in the final decision of the financial issue. Head of the Department for External Church Relations of the ROC Metropolitan Hilarion, the other day just said: "The church should be a stable source of income, and this income can not be the only donations parishioners. The Church can not exist only on money earned from the sale of candles, icons, or, say, church literature. " That is: do not want to depend more on the parishioners of the church circles. We would like to receive a large grant permanent, and vestimo from the state. Chief Accountant of the Moscow Patriarchate Irina Deryuzhkina added to the boss said that the donations - it is very unreliable, "today and tomorrow they do not" ...

I would like to address our top clerics same question, what had once asked Napoleon Bonaparte scientist Laplace on the origin of the solar system: "And what is the role of God in this process?". However, the ROC MP in a reply to this provocative question fully prepared. After all, its officials have openly disavow his own unchangeable Guide (since the foundation). That is - Jesus Christ. For example, one of the key engines of the mission - known by Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, recently strongly defended the scribes and Pharisees, saying quote: "The scribes and Pharisees - this is not fiends; (...) this are intelligent, educated, religious and very active, not prone to defects, (...) In modern parlance, the classic "decent people". Savior, let me remind stuck on this occasion a somewhat different opinion: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, you also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but inwardly full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." But since Jesus Christ can not provide stable funding for the ROC MP, our official church in the hypothesis of its existence, apparently, no longer needed.

All of these outrageous statements and gestures troublesome cause of Orthodoxy in Russia damage immeasurably more than forty times forty Samodurov. And I'm still waiting for a few svyaschennonachalnikov ROC MP also relegated to the bench Tagansky Court - for the systematic blasphemy and permanent discrediting the Church. After Tagansky court, as we have learned in their own way very soft. Maybe even softer than that of another court, from which no one away.
Stanislav Belkovsky
http://www.mk.ru/politics/article/20...nney-vere.html

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How to finish? We had just started, only slogans to the discussion went.
Argument of the children's tour - not good. Why? So can a lot of that ban. At the same strip lead first-graders and indignation, in the restaurant at korporativchik, especially the end well, etc.
It seemed curious arguments Leontiev that de is not freedom of expression and deliberate provocation. But this argument is irrelevant in the secular state.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

How to finish? We had just started, only slogans to the discussion went.
The argument of the children's tour - not good. Why? So can a lot of that ban. At the same strip lead first-graders and indignation, in the restaurant at korporativchik, especially the end well, etc.
It seemed curious arguments Leontiev that de is not freedom of expression and deliberate provocation. But this argument is irrelevant in a secular State.

From Leontiev another is difficult to anticipate, as well as from the defenders of freedom of expression.
In that post, which refers to the tour is not about them, and on the other - I wanted to show the role of context: each institution has its own area of expression, but in the case with the present. art often is a substitution artpolitical. And if in the case of the art there is no accounting for tastes , as it were, in the case with politically - on the contrary: if you do not you go into politics, it will take you. That's why I'm talking about horugmenostsah "fellows", not because I share their views. Also, when I see lies, half-truths (it's also a lie), and other tricks in adults - I refer them to pals, according to the similarity in the manner of behavior, reasoning, etc. In addition, art mb political and provocative, but it must have a constructive message, call the discussion to help understand the political, rather than vice versa.
You can even add the following, special. to the COP: actually here 2 substitute - Art sauce served political, and it masquerades as a political liberal. The first substitution allows the output of a jurisdiction (yes, we artists, we just play), and the second is rejection of liberal freedoms (give them freedom, they trample all shrines, no, no way without a pastor can not). In the latter Leontiev rights - this is a provocation. A result of this action is: these Russian so harmful to freedom and apparently do not need: we gave it to them, and they ask themselves through the courts to ban it.

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Сообщение от artcol

these Russian so harmful to freedom and apparently did not need: we gave it to them, and they ask themselves through the courts to ban it.

Similarly, but not 'Russian' request to cancel freedom, and those comrades "horugvenostsy" whose "portraits", see here:
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...&postcount=203

Devih this we know: Orthodoxy or death.

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Сообщение от artcol

"Horugvenostsy" as ersatz Russian cliché. The essence of this does not change.

Wait a minute, as it is, "not me"? I could-Russian action than many of those horugvenostsev if it comes to that.
You'll have all something in one pile not valite.
By the way, Erofeev also be healthy roots. My great-grandfather, Alexander Stepanovich Popov, the inventor of radio, for a minute.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

It's like someone.
We've discussed a number of our current advertising. She's lying, but prohibit it?

Ads can also be prohibited to be unethical, abusive, giving zabl. etc.
The positive meaning of this process, ending the sentence there, and he is not prohibition. Now if ransacked - then, yes, mascara lights. It is strange, even, frankly, what went wrong in this scenario. It pleases.

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