A striking example of the idiocy of the law on import or export of cultural property - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Евгений · 28.10.2010, 07:16

This is possible only in Russia .. when the law passed even when Stalin, just a terrible case. (EA)
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American student was given 3 years in a colony for 2 rubles coinage of 1899 and 1924
22.10.2010 18:13
A student from the United States was sentenced in Rostov-on-Don to 3 years in prison for attempting to export two rubles in 1899 and 1924 coinage, said in a statement published on the website of South transport prosecutor's office.
25-year-old U.S. citizen, a native of Ukraine Evgeny Kravtsov, was arrested July 20 in the course of customs control and customs clearance for international flight passengers № 3201 "Rostov-na-Donu - Frankfurt. In his luggage, among other things have been discovered 1 Ruble 1899 (Russian empire), and 1 ruble 1924 (USSR). According to expert help for these coins are the cultural values and are subject to the law of the Russian Federation "On export and import of cultural values."
With respect to Kravtsova criminal proceedings were instituted on the grounds of a crime under part 2, Art. 188 of the Criminal Code (smuggling). The court sentenced him to 3 years imprisonment to be served in a penal colony.

uriart · 28.10.2010, 08:19

Eugene, probably custom demanded money from the guy and he refused them.

For this, and referred the case to court.

Complete idiocy!

And a complete mess!

artcol · 28.10.2010, 10:49

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Eugene, probably custom demanded money from the guy and he refused them.

For this, and referred the case to court.

Complete idiocy!

And a complete mess!

It is not idiocy, it is cannibalism.

Pecheneg · 28.10.2010, 23:10

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Сообщение от Eugene; 1348671"

just a terrible case.

It's not a terrible case ... this is the norm. Norma Russian - Ukrainian relations in the region premescheniya material has the slightest relevance to the story.
My friend took off with Russian border guards train for bringing 2 dozen coins in Russia 18-19. and put on two months in KPZ.Konchilos it so that the matter was hushed up for 15tys. greens and Confiscated coins.

Евгений · 29.10.2010, 07:12

Pecheneg, where you read that Russia's accession to the WTO, the laws on the movement of cultural property, will have to lead to the European standards .. we will wait, maybe this will end soon .. debilizm the meantime, you are right
a complete mess ..

Pecheneg · 29.10.2010, 11:41

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maybe this debilizm soon come to an end.

Hardly ... you must first join ... And then our lawyers still that realties head and share ..
Last year, calling on the Russian Gelos ask ..
: "Can I buy a favorite icon"
"Yes, you can"
"A delivery"
"Pickup"
"You give permits for export"
"No, as you want, and export"
"And if the border povyazhut"
"Your Problems"

Here is the dialogue ...

Selene · 29.10.2010, 18:21

Boys of NCA, which takes out old, out-of-treatment denyushki could ask for decency and in the host country that is needed for clearance. From Egypt, for example, seashells nezya export, and from India - are in circulation rupees. Limitations exist in every country. Why does a respected community sympathizes with the criminals-smuggler - it is not clear. According to the experience of working with customs officials know that no smoke without fire, in such cases usually does not happen. If closed for 3 years for a relatively minor violation, it most likely is not the first case was infa on molchonku and before.

Кирилл Сызранский · 29.10.2010, 19:05

Creaking, but I have to agree with Selene, he committed a crime.

The extent of the punishment fault-I can not judge.
We have and give pedestrians a ubiychtvo uchlovno, but that's another topic already.

dedulya37 · 29.10.2010, 19:06

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Why does a respected community sympathizes with the criminals-smuggler - it is not clear.

Because too much distrust of our restrictive bodies.

Paraphrasing Grossman, painfully, all these "authorities" We are tired because of their restrictive rules.

Кирилл Сызранский · 29.10.2010, 19:08

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Because too much distrust of our restrictive bodies.
Paraphrasing Grossman, painfully, all these "authorities" We are tired because of their restrictive rules.

"Restrictive rules" are laws in the hands of the legislator, and his chosen citizens.
Do not go to the polls, do not require then with his deputy to carry out their direct duties, we are the "rules".

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uriart Banned Регистрация: 05.06.2008 Адрес: UKRAINE Сообщений: 8,039 Спасибо: 5,979 Поблагодарили 7,016 раз(а) в 2,462 сообщениях Репутация: 12460	Eugene, probably custom demanded money from the guy and he refused them. For this, and referred the case to court. Complete idiocy! And a complete mess!

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29.10.2010, 18:21	Язык оригинала: Русский #7
Selene Бывалый Регистрация: 14.07.2008 Сообщений: 266 Спасибо: 163 Поблагодарили 203 раз(а) в 89 сообщениях Репутация: 237	Boys of NCA, which takes out old, out-of-treatment denyushki could ask for decency and in the host country that is needed for clearance. From Egypt, for example, seashells nezya export, and from India - are in circulation rupees. Limitations exist in every country. Why does a respected community sympathizes with the criminals-smuggler - it is not clear. According to the experience of working with customs officials know that no smoke without fire, in such cases usually does not happen. If closed for 3 years for a relatively minor violation, it most likely is not the first case was infa on molchonku and before.

29.10.2010, 19:05	Язык оригинала: Русский #8
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