How to unleash the artist

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от artcol

This is what? What a pair och.interesno.

High-quality artists och.malo - You will understand this eventually. What are collector mb interests? Buy their work. Which dealer interests - to earn. As these interests dealer and collector, contradict each other? Nothing. They dB grateful to each other, and both - the artist.

I already wrote that in the measure of talented artists here in Russia within 10%of the payroll number of unions of artists. Geniuses - so all units can be dozens.
As is uninteresting artists, so there lay art dealers. In any case these professionals are not so much. And a lot of bad gatherer-collectors, otherwise there would be bad art dealers.

In his text, I did not try to remove the extra link, on the contrary, tried to show the relationship between the three groups, active in the market. Especially in the case of shocks that survive only one group - the artists. This artist is self-sufficient. It will draw even disappear all the galleries and all the buyers! That's my opinion. When I buy a work by an artist, I understand that, despite the financial gains, he has not cost me anyway. It will draw to the detriment of himself and his own family. Maniac, and more!
Respect.

Some artists I'm just over it, and love, despite the names, titles, estimate.

PS

But art dealers at me, like, offended.


PPS

Dear Artcol! Judging by the nick, which can be deciphered as Art Collectioner, then your question about good galleries you can really be interesting. How to gain strength, try to respond to the example of one gallery, which I have been working for years 5-7. I will not engage in advertising, just tell you why I am pleased with their services and that he would like to see from other art dealers. I think that my story will just be a theme.

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Сообщение от Marta

buyers," pure "collectors, I think, the vast ...... minority. For example, I first saw the (Russian) and then - virtually. Interestingly, in Russia there are many collectors? Dozens? Hundreds? If the person has a score or favorite paintings, can we consider it a collector?

Martha
in this thread, I got the first time, so the only answer to your message (then admire everything from the beginning).
In Russia - not dozens, hundreds of collectors! And the key word here - not "half a dozen other paintings, a subject, the theme of the collection. In this sense, and a few pictures, united by one theme, but each of which represents a definite achievement let one artist, let the direction - this collection in a large sense of the word. This collection envy museums ... And such a collection "devastating" for collectors, because they are the meaning of life ... Most recently was lucky enough to talk with V. Dudakova, so his collection, he has already reduced by 1 /3 and switched to the administrative activities of the club of collectors. Too much of this collection selected by emotional forces. The same applies to people who are engaged in creative work of individual artists, and even restore their biographies and by all possible means to publish and make known to the public.
The fact that you "saw in the FT, unfortunately, does not belong to the category of collectors - most collectors that like. In this category of artistic value is not important, it is important just like it - do not like it ...
So learn to distinguish between the collectors of the collectors (after all, you can collect and irons ...)

[artcol]

Сообщение от Maroussia

Martha
in this thread, I got first time, so the only answer to your message (then admire everything from the beginning).
In Russia - not dozens, hundreds of collectors! AND key word here - not "half a dozen other paintings, and the object, the subject collection. In this sense, and a few pictures, united by the same theme, but each of which represents a definite achievement let one artist, let the direction - this collection in a large sense of the word. This collection envy museums ... And such a collection "devastating" for collectors, because they are the meaning of life ... Most recently was lucky enough to talk with V. Dudakova, so he has already reduced its collection for 1 /3 and switched to the administrative activities of the club of collectors. Too much of this collection selected by emotional forces. The same applies to people who are engaged in creative work of individual artists, and even restore their biographies and by all possible means to publish and make known to the public.
That's what you "saw in the FT, unfortunately, does not belong to the category of collectors - most collectors that like. In this category of artistic value is not important, it is important just like it - do not like it ...
So learn to distinguish between the collectors of the collectors (after all, you can collect and irons ...)

Maroussia, you are precisely described. This collector - is currently a museum < "- ~ 7 ~ -" A collector - it .. eeee .... a little more Dudakova I understand perfectly.

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

Dear Artcol! Judging by the nick, which can be deciphered as Art Collectioner, then your question about good galleries you can really be interesting. How to gain strength, try to respond to the example of one gallery, which I have been working for years 5-7. I will not engage in advertising, just tell you why I am pleased with their services and that he would like to see from other art dealers. I think that my story will just be a theme.

Tell me, is very interesting, I think, will be all.

Shl Over the nickname I thought long to be honest I have another TM.

[NATA NOVA]

In the collector-Academic (scientific) interest, at the collector-consumer (chaotic )...( IMHO)

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

How to gain strength, try to respond to the example of one gallery, which I have been working for years 5-7.

In the gallery also do not know the artist Yavlensky?

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от Marta

buyers, "pure" collectors, I think, the vast ...... minority. For example, I first saw the (Russian) and then - virtually. Interestingly, in Russia there are many collectors? Dozens? Hundreds? If a person has a score or your favorite pictures, can we consider it a collector?
 Learn interesting, but what kind of collector's interests? How often do they intersect with art dealers, or more often looking for work themselves through the galleries and auctions? It seems that the more independently - --- enjoy the process <!--~ a ~-->, unless, of course, galleries of art-dealer network does not equate. That's when it comes, then, probably through dealers.

Dear Martha!

I hope you are wrong.
Shopping for jewelry at home often end at the expense of "one-two-three." The collector collects hundreds and thousands. The main market for the arts are themselves collectors-gatherers. Personally, I call the collector is not really like, because the word I associate a collection with a collection of ... butterflies, stamps or beer bottles. The word "collection" diminish advertising. We always hear: a collection of clothes Fira XYZ, a collection of perfume, a collection of ceramic tiles. Russian word "collector" me more to your liking. Perhaps because all the directories of museums called the "Catalogue of the Collection," and not "Price Collection."

To call the man a true collector-gatherers can, I think, if he has reached such a state, which can be expressed in the famous words: "Not a day without a line." It's like an addiction. At the same time, the investor collects is a collection that has its price. And it will be sold when the opportunity as ceramic tile from a collection company XXX.

On what category the collectors or collectors you talking about? " They have completely different interests. The first (investors) is reasonable to buy expensive things through intermediaries (art-brokers). It's like the action - few investors running itself on the market, buying shares of individual companies. Most people use the services of various mutual funds. Approximately how I behave with the purchase of shares, I am interested in: a minimum amount of time, the minimum commission, the possibility of buying on the Internet. It does not matter which company shares will be quoted in this unit investment fund.

The Collector, in my understanding, also interesting in the process. He walks, wanders, lifts leaves, collect ... If a business is not interesting to me to spend time on other, even the very money the client for a private conversation, the art of communication with other artists - a separate fun! As with a good enthusiastic gallerist. Collector able not to listen to art critics, tips, art dealers, more reliance on their own experience and heart. Collector purchase a leaf for 1000 rubles sometimes brings more fun than buying a million dollars for the investor from the art. After all, the investor begins to please the art only at sales.
If Shchukin, brother of the Shchukin, but also a collector, do not listen to well-known expert on Vermeer, the Hermitage now would be (hopefully) the work of Vermeer.
Personally, I am with some skesisa share their passion for buying art at several stages:

1) Stage travel. This is when the pictures were bought as souvenirs art. Much there now I feel ashamed to show. But there were also made and very good purchase .

2) Step amateur. We buy everything, if it is not quite shamefully looks and is cheap. <!--~ 10 ->

3) semi-Step. We understand that except for one gallery, there are many others. Getting to limit themselves in the breadth of interests. We can safely abandon the purchase, if you understand that unpromising: the average level of performance, small size, poor condition or a high price.
We begin to think about selling a heterogeneous good that does not affect the overall backbone of the congregation. Although it is (good art) is good enough to decorate the home or to another amateur art movement. Interest is not to buy art pieces, and mini-collections. So you can better show the style of the artist, make a mini-exhibition, publish a catalog. Getting help your favorite artists than we can: provide pictures for the exhibition of their own money to print catalogs, advertising ...

4) Step ...

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

with collectors and academic (scientific) interest;

Nat!
Would not make such categorical statements.
From personal experience: always want to know more about the artist, whose works are in your collection, especially if it is a little-known artist ...
Portfolio, biography, archival information ... Then delishsya all this with friends ...
Actually, Valery Dudakov and answered my question about how he "entered into an artistic revolution" Sokolova, N. Sinezubeva and other previously little-known artists.

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

call a man a true collector-gatherers can, I think, if he has already reached such a state, which can be expressed in the famous words:" Not a day without a line. " It's like an addiction.

Congratulations!
You again (but with some interruptions) reached this state ... I think the title of the collector or collector of the title you set for yourself! And surely all of us on this notify.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Maroussia, You've probably noticed that I did not react to your attacks on me. In fact there are reasons why I can not afford to be happy to be rude or staple the COP, but you do not touch ever.

I urge you not to contact me or write me a message - in the future they will again be left without an answer. But if you are satisfied with such a profound disregard for - OK, I die! Deny to speak their mind to anyone I can not.

Frankly, to this message for me was to bring to the attention of other people causes me to ignore some of the very few members of the forum.

Goodbye. I hope more than you do not overlap.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Maroussia

works, biography, archival information ...

Called: Research ..

Сообщение от Maroussia

Then delishsya all this with friends ...

.. And promotion ...

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

why I can not afford to be happy to be rude or staple COP

"Pinned"?
You, young man, obviously overestimate themselves.
"Rude"?
Well, except for "you" to my request.
But you yourself, your peteushnost gopnicheskuyu worldwide shows.