On the correctness of the list of "12 most expensive Russian artists"

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от LCR

Not at all diminishing the greatness of Russian culture, I beg to differ with you: it speaks primarily or even solely on the desire to use new market with a not very sophisticated and creditworthy clientele.

The desire to use the new market, of course, present. Credibility, too. What is strange is that Russian art is most interested in those who belong to this culture? I'm just writing about that in the absence of Russian art market for a century has led to what Russian art was undervalued. And it should be noted that it was temporarily dropped out of the context of world art and art market, and it made him undeservedly obscure.
     As for "inexperience" Russian buyers, this is another myth. People who buy Russian goods at auctions, rather intellectually developed and formed in order to distinguish the true art from far-fetched his likeness. Or do you think that the people who gave the world of Tolstoy, Tchaikovsky, Mendeleyev, Kandinsky, etc., are not capable of it? There are certainly kinks (and where they do not happen), but basically pay for what is truly valuable. I tell you, they say, they do not buy what I like, looks like something from snobbish. Some artists, especially modern, valued in the West, personally, I have been doubts about the aesthetic maturity of the western buyers. And even so the view of "enlightened" West makes me, at least, serious doubts as to his indisputable.
     And anyway, Russia with its culture is an integral part of Europe, and therefore seem strange to attempt to equate it to some less educated savages. Savages do not fly into space and have no scientific school. Although many European countries just do not have any of his scientific school, nor any meaningful art.

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Сообщение от DimaB

As far as the Pre-Raphaelite ... Tastes all different. I was shaking the picturesque masterovitost these kids (Milles was less than 20, when he wrote things that would have envied Laktionov or Shilov).

Here, not far to seek ...
We saw. Mid-19 th century, Western Europe, of course.
Sale.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от DimaB

Thanks, we really all are secondary to the very end of XX. Alas ! "Usually, such conversations cause why a furious reaction from most fans of Russian art. Therefore to talk about are not directly wanted.
As for "regionalism" - any political correctness initially false and distasteful.
As for the Pre-Raphaelite ... Tastes all different. I was shaking the picturesque masterovitost these kids (Milles was less than 20, when he wrote things that would have envied Laktionov or Shilov). And - courage in dealing with large designs. This is - this rebellion, and completely different, regardless of the time, look at reality. Agree, it is not "The arrest of the propagandist".

If we are secondary, then who is primary? Please Give the names of artists 19 - th century, belonging to the academic school, which you consider primary. They should be very much if, under pressure from Russian pushed them to the most backyards. Who to apply to your first name? Again, this should be the artists of the academic direction of the 19 th century. Shishkina compare with brands like something crappy.

Wait, wait (only just noticed), if I understand you correctly, you not only Russian art of the 19 th century, be regarded as secondary, but also the 20 th?! Yes, you are original! fall into a state of shock ...

[DimaB]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Here, not far to seek ...
We saw. Mid-19 th century, Western Europe, of course. This is not about pre-Raphaelites, I'm pro Laktionova-Shilov.
Sale.

Neeet! Rather, it is so beloved by some of us, and the organizers of the rating, too, Tamara. In the sense, de Lempicka. De

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Сообщение от DimaB

Tamara. In the sense, de Lempicka. De

You it is very flattering.

Сообщение от DimaB

so beloved by some of us, and the organizers of the rating, too

Yes, there are fans of her work.
The funny thing is that it works very loved by sexual minorities, they did it, and fashionable in the 80's, and local amateurs, its homophobia.

[Lorart]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

Chatterbox

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super! and to the place! and even my youngest daughter should poprovat to "zauchku" offer. and then forgot .

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Pavel, glya-ka again name something "not our "...

you, then, once the "nats.vopros" provocative flair. in the sense of trying all the time to initiate a discussion ... Well not quite yet on topography. and not the first time .

I really like many of your statements and messages. but, for some reason I, after all, is not the first time'm thinking that along with "спасибками" on the forum, I have a very respected, and the icons should be something like "not одобрямс.

[DimaB]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

If we are secondary, then who is primary? Please Give the names of artists 19 - th century, belonging to the academic school, which you think the primary.

Here at least the same, Turner and Constable (sorry, by the way, both - in the Tate Gelleri, thank God, Cyril sees ). Both - academics, though not without problems. The first generally received the title in 27 years, in 1802.
Or let us remember France. Ingres, for example. Chardin, of course, be older than 40 years. And in general as something shameful, even in this context to remember.
Shchedrin Bryullov, Ivanov ... Somehow here.
And for the first third of XX I have no complaints. We are fully in line with, and often even ahead. Yes, that - Italy - futurism, Germany - expressionism (with a strong Russian accent). France ... - Yes, the boiler, in which cooked all European art. And, of course, Russia, Russia, Russia.
Only, I hope, not a "Jack of Diamonds. Cezanne still more primary

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Сообщение от Lorart

does not really like many of your statements and messages. but, for some reason I, after all, is not the first time'm thinking that along with "спасибками" on the forum, I have a very respected, and the icons should be something like "not одобрямс".

And, incidentally, totally agree! Indeed, one has to go from full complementarity. Otitsatelnoe opinion would create a more complete picture-portrait of the author.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

The funny thing is that it works very loved by sexual minorities, they did it, and fashionable in the 80's, and local amateurs, it homophobes.

Awful! Why so?

[Pavel]

Сообщение от DimaB

I do not know, I somehow did not pin the idea of a worldwide conspiracy directed against Russia and in general "silence and belittling. Let's admit, we are not so great in the field of fine art, not counting the beginning of XX "We're not about literature, you are talking about. The music, not about the ballet, finally.
For some reason I remember the first time I saw live, in my opinion, in London's National Gallery to Turner Constable - crazy painting hands, at first, and powerful high modeled relief images paint a second. And for years looked. Home XIX. We have at this time Sylvester Shchedrin in Italy studying.
Or Pre-Raphaelites. They can not love, but compare the dates: early 50's. In France after 10 years will begin to work Impressionists. And we have a 63-m will be a revolt of 14 in AX. And then - Kramskoi to send "The Stranger". And "Life Is Everywhere" Yaroshenko.
What kind of protests there!

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Class! Thank you, Nathan, was amused. Although, I think, the true potriotu such trifles pabarabanu ...

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Listen, but this is a specific plot. And the prices are distorted, and the elephant killed a ... It is time to understand

I have written previously about that in contrast to Russia, the West there was no serfdom and talents from various sectors of society can equally express themselves by doing, and graduated from the Academy and take their place in society according to his talent. In Russia before the equality of rights in 1917, the artists held status in accordance with his position, and if there was a serf, then at least a genius, he could get to the stables under the whip. Soroka was released in 40 years, and he took to drink, because apart from freedom must be vozmozhnostprodavat their creativity and education, to enter into society, where buying. Most of the population was in bondage. Hence, this state of affairs in the art, when bought, and members of the FIT environment. Training Academy was conducted by German professors in the Italian system and preclude creative freedom. Iconographic long degenerated into a handicraft. Turner could sell his paintings, therefore, was. There, as in France after the Revolution, there was someone to buy and order. Everything is connected.

What a fool you vylozhet huge amount of money for a pretty picture? Only if the money will make more money. Art of the best means of investment. This system is well developed as gambling and the sale at auction does not set final prices, but only intermediate.
The final prices are based on the results of many trades identify trends and recorded in the catalogs. Akun, Maier are few, but they are on the table.
We are not in the game, and the place of sale. Buy, but not sell.

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Сообщение от Pavel

because in addition to freedom must be vozmozhnostprodavat their creativity and education, to enter into society, where to buy.

Voronikhin-author of the Kazan Cathedral, was a serf Strogonov, but raised himself to the people who got their freedom, became a successful, famous.
In 1797, the Council of the Academy awarded the title of academician Voronikhin perspective painting of a painting on it they built cottages Stroganoff on the Black River in St. Petersburg. The title of academician of architecture Voronikhin received in 1800 for the project colonnades in Peterhof. In 1802, he was professor of the Academy of Arts.
And on the occasion of the consecration of the Cathedral of Our Lady of Kazan Mother of God in St. Petersburg Andrey Nikiforovich was granted the Order of St. Anne of the second degree and pensions.
In the case.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Lorart

you have, then, once at "nats.vopros" provocative flair. in the sense of trying all the time to initiate a discussion ... Well not quite yet on topography. and not the first time.

You definitely me confused with someone ...

Сообщение от Lorart

Pavel, glya-ka again name something "not our "...

And if you had this in mind, so it is a special irony for Paul from the song Timur Shaov "Cat's Blues" (I recommend to listen)
Cat Blues
Timur Shaov

- Meow-meow-meow, that for fruit, and whom it skidded to us?
- I accidentally fell from the balcony right in the trash nose.
- Ah, home! Divan murchalka! Well, hello, ugly mug.
Well, sit down, obmyaukaem obschekoshachi questions.

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Do not be afraid, do not eat, to move closer, bro.
- Do not think for being rude, you also must have fleas.
- A. .. master despises us! So it's not you sofa
Here - cholera, plague, so that the fleas are not so bad.

Something is not seemly for your face and kind of weird.
- Well, I train noble, I am Persian.
- I knew - inorodets!
Divorced aliens! Mota, in his Persia, the bastard!
Then eat our victuals these individuals Persian breed.

In the stomach - a void
Outlook - damn.
Turned into cattle
Labor cat!
And no one likes,
Everywhere you hear "Shoo!"
At least one infection would have said:
"kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty,
Kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kiss me "

We dogs are fighting for the happiness of our kittens.
We have a world without dogs, we will bare their claws tore!
I respect the Koreans, they are the scum eat.
And you, where were you when we have shed their blood?

You're the fifth of the apartment? Wait, there lives another dog!
Betrayed us, the renegade, the comprador bourgeoisie.
So in fact you will soon turn up his paw and bark like a vile cur!
Cat in the apartment with a dog! Come to! Russia is lost!

- But let me we have pluralism, we are in a free country!
He, of course, roughneck, smells of dog and sleeps in pot.
He simply SECURITY, so special messenger with me.
Doberman, among other things.
- Name too, not ours.
Okay, pal, forget
Come on, be quiet
In the silence zatorchim,
In unison pomurchim.
Lunar appetizing cheese
Above the roof hung.
Maybe someone from the sky
We say: "kitty, kitty
Kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kiss me "

- Oh, you're right, let's be friends! So why do we bickering?
Well, why do we need a scandal because of the filthy dog!
Well, all I went over there - the owner really looking for me.
Come as anything, a Bolshevik, I'll take valerian.

- A cat has four legs, and all strive to kick it.
Comrade, you helped her, friend, dog, do not be !!!

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Сообщение от Lorart

I really like many of your statements and messages. but, for some reason I, after all, is not the first time'm thinking that along with "спасибками" on the forum, I have a very respected, and the icons should be something like "not одобрямс.

A lichku for what? (mozht again misunderstood, it is possible to ask again the same train ..)