Fakes ... Fakes ...

[Вивьен]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Vivien, but as faking, which is better than the original? (and whether this be?)

\r\nIn what sense better? By color?

[U_Z]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

I think not forge a good life (iklyucheniya also have), and if the collector is not able to distinguish a fake, then blame the greed be just him ..
In addition, forgery (let's call them "interpretations" or "borrowing") under the brush for a professional artistic merit can be an order of magnitude better than the original ..

Try it yourself to make a copy. (This is interesting!)

«Ignorance of the law was no excuse ...»

So you can agree that the currency and you can draw!
 
Now if the 10 dollar bill carefully pririsoval toe - a fake $ 100, or just spoiled 10?

try to make yourself a copy. (It is interesting !)

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от U_Z

«Ignorance of the law was no excuse ...»

So you can agree that the currency and you can draw!
 
Now if the 10 dollar bill carefully pririsoval toe - a fake $ 100, or just spoiled 10?

try to make yourself a copy. (It is interesting !)

It all depends on "the philosophy of" (among others) ..
Someone "gymnastics of the mind", as someone responsible "...

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Сообщение от Vivien

In what sense better? By color?

\r\n\r\nBy "artistic value" ...

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Сообщение от U_Z

[B]\r\n \r\nNow if the 10 dollar bill carefully pririsoval toe - a fake $ 100, or just spoiled 10?\r\n

\r\n\r\nIn any case, it is - the only case in which the counterfeit will be better the original

[NATA NOVA]

In general, then, What is fake? It's not necessarily a copy?

[Вивьен]

Not necessarily, there may be variations in the form of one additional house or a few animals. Is issued for creative repetition of the desired author.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Vivien

Not necessarily, there may be variations in the form of one additional house or a few animals. Is issued for creative repetition of the desired labels.

As I understand it, the worst thing in the counterfeits are not what they fakes. but that poddelschik trying to earn someone's brand? (Notwithstanding the fact that forgery can be better originalapo artistic level?

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Recovers secondary market Gapchinskoy -2 artist's work (in the theme of Gapchiskoy) And as many copies. forgery and falsification ..

[OlegTsi]

Сообщение от Mimoprohodil

Yes, here it is - at ibee laid for 3000 dollars buy ur science

\r\n\r\nMimoprohodil, same sol215sol, I mentioned at the beginning of the theme (poddelschik with ibeya).

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In the past summer bid Makduggalsa were exhibited two works by the western Ukrainian, say, Lviv hudlzhniea Ivan Trush. Lot 354 and 355. The authenticity of both works was confirmed by Vladimir Petrov.

Photo - left - Lot 354 (left). Right-Lot 355. (typical for Trush work).

Question first.
How can you be trusted V. Petrov, who a priori could not be familiar with the work Trush, make their conclusions about the authenticity?

Question Two.
How could it happen that two very different styles fabric Petrov, an art of such high rank, an ardent fighter against falsifiers in the art, can identify the left now as the original Trush?

Conclusion. Either Petrov had never seen these two works, or on the day of examination forgot my glasses ...

[OlegTsi]

In the past summer bid Makduggalsa were exhibited two works by the western Ukrainian, say, Lviv artist Ivan Trush. Lot 354 and 355. The authenticity of both works was confirmed by Vladimir Petrov.

Photo - left - Lot 354 (left). Right-Lot 355. (typical for Trush work).

Question first.
How can you be trusted V. Petrov, who a priori could not be familiar with the work Trush, make their conclusions about the authenticity?

Question Two.
How could it happen that a completely different style sheet, V. Petrov, an art of such high rank, an ardent fighter against falsifiers in the art, could be identified (left picture) as the original Trush?

Conclusion. Either Petrov had never seen these two works, or on the day of examination forgot my glasses ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Counterfeits exist in many areas of culture-in arhiologii, history, literature, PDI, and of course, in every.
Some argue about the interpolation in the annals, others about the authenticity of products with the stamps of Faberge, and others do not argue, and publish, for example, literary hoax, note Vyrubova or diary of Frida Kahlo. Until now, have argued for the authenticity of "Lay".
Were fake, and there will be. And in museum collections are known fakes, which atributsrovanny now works as a N /x with forged signatures and dates.
And how many on the market of genuine independent work, written in accordance with the aesthetic attitudes of the time, but not signed and has subsequently received the wrong signature? How? But after examination and faking. But some authors did not forged, the signature already struck other "craftsmen", they tried to deceive buyers. Yes, and often deceived. Clearly, one thing the picture n /x, and another with a signature. And with well-known.
We consider here are clear forgery, created it as such, from the beginning.
And not the part about copy. Copy will be a copy, right Vivian, while it does not sign, a famous author, the work of this, of course, is not satisfied.
Do, do a lot. Look at the message OlegTsi at the beginning of the topic. What to do? Laws impose? what? All already-fraud, etc.
But try to attract poddelschikov. You can not just-say, because: one draws, the second puts his signature, the third killed the making "Restoration of interference, the fourth provides a legend, Provenance, the fifth is a fake on the market, and only the sixth, seventh, eighth, etc. -- sell. Yes, and organizer of all this "project" exists ...

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Сообщение от OlegTsi

Conclusion. Either Petrov had never seen these two works, or on the day of examination forgot my glasses ...

\r\nThere is a third option: put it to the head barrel. "Pah-pah-pah ...