Auction house Dorotheum in Manege

[SAH]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

If the last bid phantom - the work is exhibited at the following trades, and the seller informed of the non-payment.

The practice of this is, but is difficult to know for sure, especially because there are lots of really non-payment by those who beat me.

[OlegTsi]

SAH, I was referring to was the practice of pulling up the price of the auction lot employees. Earlier in the halls were front men, now it is done telephonist. In the case of such a method, when an employee with a telephone Truk in the hand pulled real buyer, and remained with the latter the Bid (and of course no money to the seller does not pay, although the lot is sold), the seller simply soobschaetsya of evasion ...

[SAH]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

In the case of such a method, when an employee with a telephone Truk in the hand pulled real buyer, and remained with the latter the Bid (and of course no money to the seller does not pay, although the lot is sold), the seller simply soobschaetsya of evasion ...

Yes, and I say that sometimes even very often, this failure is the place to be and from customers. I can not just pull the auctioneer and the owner sits on the phone. and pulls the picture. Auction dull place.

[OlegTsi]

SAH, you are absolutely right Sometimes it happens, but rarely. In this case, the seller is left with a sly unsold work plus the cost to be paid ...
I have seen several cases where the owner of the work himself in the room pulling his hand to buy the work because the work did not find sufficient demand and handled only barrier reserve. A low reserve was made only for the excitement of the public ...

[SAH]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

I have seen several cases where the owner of the work himself in the room pulling his hand to buy the work because the work did not find sufficient demand and handled only barrier reserve. A low reserve was made only for the excitement of the public ...

In principle, the auction rules do not prohibit it, because on it and the auction so that bought the one who will give more, but who would sell himself, or a real client, or can someone from family deliverer did not want rastavatsya with the object and hits (is also the case, privately divide the family could not put up for sale) then it does not matter.

[OlegTsi]

Сообщение от SAH

In principle, the auction rules do not prohibit it

Artificial potdyagivanie prices in favor of either party, and especially of the auction, in some countries, illegal and punishable under the criminal law. (Similarly, as punishable poddelschiki ...)

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

in some countries, illegal and punishable under the criminal law. (Similarly, as punishable poddelschiki ...)

And you can find out where?

[SAH]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

Artificial potdyagivanie prices in favor of either party, and especially of the auction, in some countries, illegal and punishable under the criminal law.

Nothing about this do not know, in any case, it is very, very conditional because prove impossible. Could not he will pull so ask koleggu.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

What was not in the room rather willing, cheap and sorry was given, very decent thing was. Popodnimal to real-in my opinion, money and "stepped".

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от OlegTsi

Artificial potdyagivanie prices in favor of either party, and especially of the auction, in some countries, illegal and punishable under the criminal law.

I do not know that the author quotes is because the words "artificial potdyagivanie prices. Being in the room exhibited the lot owner and his participation in the auction to raise prices, the practice of law everywhere applied. There is nothing "artificial" sdes no. Do not give bidders enough for the lot-owner redeem himself, to pay the auction%%, but record the sale on the desired mark, and then everything on the well-known scenario. Year high, auction, new-high, in line with the care-start, etc.

[ранжер]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I do not know that the author quotes is because the words "artificial potdyagivanie prices. Being in the room exhibited the lot owner and his participation in the auction to raise prices, the practice of law everywhere applied.

I do not know how at the moment, but some time ago it was forbidden for the Anglo-Saxon auctions, as well as in France. Contracts deliverers lots were the relevant paragraphs.

In the "stretching" of prices, there are many methods. From "stool pigeons" and phones to a virtuoso imitation of interested buyers by the auctioneer. Such was once the Commissioner-medalist Guy Ludmer (incidentally, a little saying in Russian). This, of course, also illegal, as the union of several buyers to acquire the lot at the lowest price with a further auction-mezhdusoboychikom already out of the room sales.

In the institution McDougal practice persuasion Sellers prior to the sale to lower the reserve price is yet to samopriobreteniya promising lot. I do not know as it is now at the Anglo-Saxons, but in France it is forbidden.

As for not responding to the signals of the shop lots of uncertainty, it is their usual practice. Probably, many remember their catalog with work by Vladimir Stenberg on the cover (auction May 18, 2005). Before bidding granddaughter Stenberg (also a painter) and sent them an email, which stated that the family of the artist did not confirm the authenticity of this picture.
It was supposed to do the auction house? Normal, that is honest and decent simply withdraw the lot from the auction. Not really - at least, before selling paintings to announce the current opinion of the artist's family. Auctioneer-mail at and prior to the sale did not react, the opinion of the relatives of the bidders conceal work successfully sold. Several days later, the granddaughter Stenberg received from William McDougal joyful message stating that the lot sold well and that the auction house experts still believe the true picture. The family accepted this message as a mockery and insult.