How to unleash the artist

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Pavel

The driving force for collecting, avarice, at a penny dimes. Buy cheap what will be expensive.

Not so rude, Paul. There are many impoverished millionaires. Their example makes us think how to be saved, literally, from the unexpected fate. Bank may burst, "moth and rust" spoil the treasure, thieves steal. But the picture, as the manuscripts, which do not burn ... They saved their value. Never mind that people buy art, guided by, inter alia, and mercantile considerations.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от K-Maler

Not so rude, Paul. There are many impoverished millionaires. Their example makes us think how to be saved, literally, from the unexpected fate. Bank may burst, "moth and rust" spoil the treasure, thieves steal. But the picture, as the manuscripts, which do not burn ... They saved their value. Never mind that people buy art, guided by, inter alia, and mercantile considerations.

I do not think that in this case, greed is bad, the opposite well. Sometimes the sale of the collection can save from Razzorenov. Once again, sell for a price anywhere else.

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Сообщение от Buscador

It seems to me that this peculiar disease. It's like a casino game, like a morning cigarette, like a beautiful woman ... You just lose control and get lost ...
And to buy now just because you can not not buy it without thinking about how much it will cost in some future there. Collecting - this is not business, this way of life (of life), hobbies ... If you are buying, to hide until better times, but not to enjoy every day, that too is a disease, but quite another kind ...

And that's fine too. Maybe even better. Such altruists little and usually have no money, unfortunately.

[rossor]

Сообщение от Pavel

I do not think that in this case, greed is bad, the opposite well. Sometimes the sale of the collection can save from Razzorenov. Once again, sell for a price anywhere else.

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And this is also good. Maybe even better. Such altruists little and usually have no money, unfortunately.

How many collectors /investors, as many ways to implement this napravleniya.Est greedy they express themselves in odnomu.Est not greedy, they act accordingly in drugomu.Podavlyayuschee most of them come with some steps: collect /sell old masters, naprimer.Edinitsy have the strength to move on alone putem.Poetomu own answer to the question of how to successfully invest in the art can not be opredelennym.Vse depends on a variety of input data in this protsess.Naprmer, one of my colleagues started to invest in modern paintings from the fact that in the early 90's years, when everything fell into empty pockets, passing glimpse of the Old Arbat, simply dumbfounded by the work of some newcomer dohodyagi.On bought him some work and laid the commercial collection, which grows in value as we are together counted by 150-200%%in god.Eto role of fate, which is above cheloveka.I these people do not care about any promotion of the artist, no advertising concern, nothing. We must follow his destiny. NEWS dialogue with it - then the process will uspeshnym.Soglasen also with the opinion Buscador: Message from Buscador:
"And I think that this kind of disease. It's like a casino game, like a morning cigarette, like a beautiful woman ... you just lose control and get lost ...
And to buy now just because you can not not buy it without thinking about how much it will cost in some future there. Collecting - this is not business, this way of life (of life), hobbies ... If you are buying, to hide until better times, but not to enjoy every day, that too is a disease, but quite another kind ..."

[AlexanderG]

Predlagaiu razdelit 'kollektsionirovanie i investitsii, a to poluchaetsia kak na Forex - ochen' prosto delat 'den'gi, a po-nastoiaschemy vyigryvaiut, v osnovnom, brokery.

Kollektsionirovanie - material'no /finansovo neitral'no.

Tsel 'investirovaniia - poluchenie pribyli.

Kogda eto smeshivaetsia v odin stakan, voznikaet massa problem.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Predlagaiu razdelit 'kollektsionirovanie i investitsii

Excellent suggestion.
And then, for example at this forum, many call themselves collectors, but all of his "collection" is simply banal sell. : D

[AlexanderG]

Kstati, pod maskoi kollektsionerov, chasto skryvaiutsia art dilery.
Tipa "my s toboi odnoi krovi", poetomu u menia kupit 'luchshe.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Kstati, pod maskoi kollektsionerov, chasto skryvaiutsia art dilery.
Tipa "my s toboi odnoi krovi", poetomu u menia kupit 'luchshe.

Absolutely.
And many of these dealers, psevdokollektsionerov besyat my reminder that I do not collect paintings, and selling. : D

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Predlagaiu razdelit 'kollektsionirovanie i investitsii, a to poluchaetsia kak na Forex - ochen' prosto delat 'den'gi, a po-nastoiaschemy vyigryvaiut, v osnovnom, brokery.

Kollektsionirovanie - material'no /finansovo neitral'no.

Tsel 'investirovaniia - poluchenie pribyli.

Kogda eto smeshivaetsia v odin stakan, voznikaet massa problem.

Why share these concepts? Or, in your understanding of the collector - this is slightly shifted to collecting people, spending the last penny for his lust? Yes, and such is. When they die, their family sighed with relief - ended in pain alleviation. But basically collecting is a hobby for people who have income from other sources. And as one character would say - "in order to buy something, have something to sell." And following your logic, the collector can not sell anything, or become a dealer, because a profit. And on that fill up the collection? Suddenly changed the concept of gathering, and just lose one's attraction some things. So they must sell to buy something new. And nothing wrong here. Collectibles can not be neutral. This hobby has always been and is associated with money and buying \ selling.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And then, for example at this forum, many call themselves collectors, but all of his "collection" is simply banal sell.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Absolutely.
And many of these dealers, psevdokollektsionerov besyat my reminder that I do not collect paintings, and selling.

Do not identify yourself with art dealers and even more collectors. You personally do not get by either of these definitions, so that there is nothing to give other advice or blame them.
About the concept of "art dealer" to read the references, the collection was and never will, but to take to implement and sell other people's things that you are doing - is quite another.

[AlexanderG]

Why share these concepts? Or, in your understanding of the collector - this is slightly shifted to collecting people, spending the last penny for his lust? Yes, and such is. When they die, their family sighed with relief - ended in pain alleviation. But basically collecting is a hobby for people who have income from other sources.

Privedu primer: esli vy pokupaete novuiu BMW, to na vyezde is salona, vy teriaete $ 15 - 30,000. Znachit vy pokupaete etu mashinu is drugih soobrazenii (naprimer, prestiz). Kupiv kartinu v galeree, v 99%sluchaev vy teriaete den'gi. Ochen 'maloe kolichestvo hudoznikov imeiut investitsionnyi potentsial.

Tsel 'pokupki ta ze. Kstati bolee 80%pokupatelei kartin - muzchiny!

Esli vy entusiast avtoliubitel ', to na vosstanovlenie svoei mashiny vy tratite sotni tysiach dollarov, iv sluchae prodazi rashody ne vozmestite (kraine redko).

To ze samoe s nedvizimost'iu - vy mozete vlozit 'v dom $ 2,000,000 v $ 500,000 raione i ne poluchite dohoda nikogda.

Imenno iz etih soobrazenii ia predlozil razdelit 'kollektsionirovanie i investitsii.

[SergeiSK]

Once all very pessimistic ...
As for cars, you're right. And this applies not only to the prestigious brands, but to all, without exception, the modern models. I've been already quoted the words of one Moscow antiquary - "why buy" Bentley "for 300000 dollars when you can buy Aivazovsky." Bentley "eventually rot, and Aivazovsky become more expensive." But basically it's cars bought with a view to move around. Just pockets at all different.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Kupiv kartinu v galeree, v 99%sluchaev vy teriaete den'gi. Ochen 'maloe kolichestvo hudoznikov imeiut investitsionnyi potentsial

Not agree. Interest 50%-60%.
And real estate always has a tendency to increase. Let it not once, but the potential is.