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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

I looked your photo again - too much black. Or such is the picture in reality?!

In my opinion, the picture there are no signs of black paint, all that you see written in dark paint - this is shades of brown. There are so many that I do not pretend they recalculate. Can they send a digital photo I do not know, but I'll try.
You are all well explained about the problem of printing. I might add that the picture on the Internet under any circumstances can not convey the colors correctly. Even if I'm perfectly calibrate your monitor, and shall accomplish full compliance with pictures on it the colors in the picture on another monitor or even a viewer with a different browser, everything will look different.

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Сообщение от Dmitry

It seems to me to find meaning, to look at things from different angles. Bev Doolittle

It seems to me to find meaning, to ... understand the name of what or who you do it.
However, the illusion of freedom is more real freedom itself.

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Сообщение от Dmitry

on my mind, the picture there are no signs of black paint, all that you see written in dark paint - this is shades of brown.

Right. Too attacked this kartinu.Ona stupid idea. All right with the composition, the ratio of water, land, trees, moon, too, on the ground, not higher, not lower than ... And the first good plan is registered and the sky is not trivial smeared. It looks like it was lighter brown, all in mixing with the oil darken and zinc white are becoming more transparent. At sea there was no shops that sold cheap, it was "expensive" street ... And earlier artists had the same problem as in today - how to earn, to live on ... In the natural order of things was to write "for sale", it is not meant to write then bad.

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Сообщение от K-Maler

Too attacked this picture.

I've been "napadak on now do not see. Everything about her writing-members for the most part fair and deserved, in my vzgyad, attention of the owner.
Just the very attitude of the owner of these strange opinions surprises, and the stubborn desire vidit author of none other than Kuinji.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

yes and the stubborn desire vidit author of none other than Kuindzhi

I think that Dmitri is not so fundamentally authorship is Kuindzhi, he just wanted to hear the views of those who are alleged to be, to know at least something from the start in his quest. Painting without a signature - as a man without a name.

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Vivian, a person can ask the name.

Сообщение от Vivien

painting without a signature - as a man without a name.

Such pictures per day on the internet for sale than a dozen could be found. I'm just myself right now I can give five options and the prices ridiculous. What is there to interpret?

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Сообщение от Vivien

I think that Dmitri is not so fundamentally authorship is Kuindzhi, he just wanted to hear the views of those who are alleged to be, to know at least something from the start in his quest. Painting without a signature - as a man without a name.

Indeed you are right, I'm trying different ways to determine the authorship of the painting. What surprises me the situation that the attribution of the painting is possible only if the signature of the artist, otherwise it nobody wants to do. I read the work of Fedorov-Davydov, who described the artist's first on the palette and characteristic strokes of the brush. He believed that, then as an artist puts the brush strokes are very individual and may be a sign of the same attribution as the person's handwriting. It turns out or if it was wrong or whether this level of expertise as it is simply not in the presence of experts from all over-the-art technology capabilities assessment is much more modest than during the Fedorov-Davydov.

[Allena]

Сообщение от Dmitry

I was surprised by the situation that the attribution of the painting is possible only if the signature of the artist, otherwise it nobody wants to do. I read the work of Fedorov-Davydov, who described the artist's first on the palette and characteristic strokes of the brush. He believed that, then as an artist puts the brush strokes are very individual and may be a sign of the same attribution as the person's handwriting. It turns out or if it was wrong or whether this level of expertise as it is simply not in the presence of experts from all over-the-art technology capabilities assessment is much more modest than during the Fedorov-Davydov.

Dmitry, I think, we should not expect that the forum you will be given a categorical conclusion about authorship. The participants - people can read and write, and nobody wants to operate on the principle of "kina not seen, but I believe ...". Photography, laid out on the forum, can not serve as grounds for a serious attribution. You can do suggestions, while the presence of clear signatures or decrypt incomprehensible very helpful, and therefore clings to look primarily for signature. As for authenticity - the same question. On photo - it is impossible, if we just did not outright bogus, equipped Marochko, birochkami and similar absurdity with braying ears, whom those present have already seen enough. Discussion at the forum - is just a preamble to the examination to the holder, in particular, to know which way to move himself, what to look for before you order the examination of the experts (and whether its general order, whether ovchinka dressing). But experts are, and the technical level of expertise is very high. Face - check.

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Сообщение от Allena

Photo, laid out on the forum, can not serve as grounds for a serious attribution. You can make assumptions

I agree, very much like to hear just the assumption that the authorship of paintings. In Kuindzhi me once speculated that this may be Alisov or Kharlampi Kostandi. Alisov more preferable from the standpoint of painting and in terms of his biography (he spent several years he studied in St. Petersburg at the J. Klever and, consequently, his work could be sold there). Another suggestion was made that this could be a student Kuindzhi AP Krause. Unfortunately, I did not yet know nothing about this artist.
May be other versions on the authorship of paintings.

Сообщение от Allena

And there are specialists, and technical level of expertise is very high. Face - check.

Encountered, have been convinced. Not only I, but also very experienced in matters of antiques people do not know who to contact in Moscow for the attribution neizvesnogo artist. Yes, you can get some sort of conclusion, which would indicate that the picture of an old and professional. In the case of a sale it will be a certain advantage, but in questions of authorship does not give anything.

Сообщение от Amateur

should be 100%but to formalize the process of such attribution. But this has not been done. This is impossible without the active cooperation of specialists in the closest of three is not yet related fields of science: art, the collection of "experimental" data, and a branch of mathematics as pattern recognition.

Ready to participate in such work, if it is the customer. Professionally concerned with artificial intelligence, databases and knowledge of previously solved some problems of digital signal processing and image.

Сообщение от heir

Dmitry, here and try to relate his picture with this, but - without bias.

The picture looked. In this picture something definite hard to say. Perhaps it is good. Artist unlikely to me.

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Сообщение от Dmitry

The picture looked. In this picture something definite hard to say. Perhaps it is good. Artist unlikely to me.

The artist, of course, not yours.
But you've been in the role of those to whom you submitted your picture and asked for evaluation and attribution. And, as I understand it, the conclusion is "According to this picture is something difficult to say with certainty."