Fake oil Anatoly Zverev. How to distinguish? One of the techniques - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Vladimir · 28-07-2008, 15:58

Continuing theme raised by Eugene about whether you want to know the public methods accomplice to independently filter explicit falshaki or better not to shine the information that the quality of counterfeits is not growing. At one time, an experienced collector showed how to distinguish a gross falsification of paintings by Zvereva (on formal grounds). There is only one feature: in his works Zverev intentionally left unpainted areas of the surface, using surface color of the canvas or board as another organic color compositions. For example, the original brown surface of the cardboard he used as a brown color - as if this is one of the planned colors. Accordingly, much of the surface on the original works Zvereva remains unpainted. This kind of thing many accomplice did not know or did not pay attention, so their "pseudo-Zverev," these "flaws" removed - the whole surface carefully so carefully painted over, without permits. Please note that many of the oil bought on the internet or in the treatment of a suspect made it so neatly. And another very rough forgeries in the eye can throw accurately derived signature Alkmaar - also a sure sign. In the original works made sweeping AZ albeit not without egotism, of course, without such pretentiousness.

It is clear that all this applies to things crude, but at least something.

I agree dedulya37, that such information must be disclosed and published. So if anyone has experienced with the methods poddelschikov - share, a useful thing, let's gather the knowledge base.

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Poll: "Should I disclose the details of examination?"

Евгений · 28-07-2008, 16:10

Vladimir,
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Volodya, you site is Silaev Valery S.
Senior Researcher GTG (artist-restorer of graphic works of the first category), was asked to write on this subject for collectors, art dealers would be interested in this specialist is one of the best in Russia.

Vladimir · 28-07-2008, 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene

deal with this subject at junior level, there is no sense

Eugene, if there is some practical advice - write on an adult level. Navernaka because a lot of things, who knows. Tell us how to distinguish false Nalbandian, for example.

LCR · 28-07-2008, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene

Now all they (podelshiki) learned, thank you ...

OK, but potential buyers have learned too.

Евгений · 28-07-2008, 16:34

Volodya
His opinion I expressed very well .. Who can illuminate this issue, and most importantly at a respectable level (which would correspond to the level of the site) I have already written.
With great respect to you, as a journalist.
Yevgeny.
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Vladimir · 28-07-2008, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene

address this issue, and most importantly at a respectable level (which would correspond to the level of the site)

Eugene, as always, you are right that journalists look inferior to the expert. What deceit, the story Silaeva would be much more interesting. The only thing that would like to clarify: he told him Zverev - this is not my own wonderful discovery, and referred to an experienced collector, to whom I refer - not lyrical hero. So, from journalistic in this post only feed. A texture can be completely trusted. Is it not? About Nalbandian will not tell you?

fross · 28-07-2008, 19:23

You know Eugene, for me it is better to know at least something than nothing at all.

Евгений · 28-07-2008, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by fross

to know at least something than nothing at all

You probably want to become an expert?
Volodya all is clear, is preparing a new article, collects material ...

fross · 28-07-2008, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene

You probably want to become an expert?

No, you! This must devote all his life, time passes dilettantes. Must pass.

Meister · 29-07-2008, 09:59

Eugene, sitting in his closet and nobody say nothing, quietly rejoice in his own secret or knowledge, this is typical of the Soviet approach. And this time has already passed. This forum and this site I think and were created to ensure that more people could learn about the art market. If this ever no one will talk, and then people will buy fakes, not knowing how to. Finding your way in this very very difficult. What falshivschiki learn all these ways, it's all in words, but you try it in reality it depicted. This work is necessary, and I think we should say thanks to people who share this knowledge. Moreover, even if falshivschiki will now apply this knowledge in their dirty business, issues such as provenance, age of the canvas, brush strokes, composition, remain open.

28-07-2008, 15:58	Original language: Russian #1
Vladimir Гуру Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 8,085 Thanks: 3,353 Thanked 25,448 Times in 5,540 Posts Reputation: 23529	Fake oil Anatoly Zverev. How to distinguish? One of the techniques Continuing theme raised by Eugene about whether you want to know the public methods accomplice to independently filter explicit falshaki or better not to shine the information that the quality of counterfeits is not growing. At one time, an experienced collector showed how to distinguish a gross falsification of paintings by Zvereva (on formal grounds). There is only one feature: in his works Zverev intentionally left unpainted areas of the surface, using surface color of the canvas or board as another organic color compositions. For example, the original brown surface of the cardboard he used as a brown color - as if this is one of the planned colors. Accordingly, much of the surface on the original works Zvereva remains unpainted. This kind of thing many accomplice did not know or did not pay attention, so their "pseudo-Zverev," these "flaws" removed - the whole surface carefully so carefully painted over, without permits. Please note that many of the oil bought on the internet or in the treatment of a suspect made it so neatly. And another very rough forgeries in the eye can throw accurately derived signature Alkmaar - also a sure sign. In the original works made sweeping AZ albeit not without egotism, of course, without such pretentiousness. It is clear that all this applies to things crude, but at least something. I agree dedulya37, that such information must be disclosed and published. So if anyone has experienced with the methods poddelschikov - share, a useful thing, let's gather the knowledge base. ------ Poll: "Should I disclose the details of examination?"

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Meister Гуру Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Москва Posts: 2,576 Thanks: 1,512 Thanked 2,998 Times in 1,037 Posts Reputation: 1816	Eugene, sitting in his closet and nobody say nothing, quietly rejoice in his own secret or knowledge, this is typical of the Soviet approach. And this time has already passed. This forum and this site I think and were created to ensure that more people could learn about the art market. If this ever no one will talk, and then people will buy fakes, not knowing how to. Finding your way in this very very difficult. What falshivschiki learn all these ways, it's all in words, but you try it in reality it depicted. This work is necessary, and I think we should say thanks to people who share this knowledge. Moreover, even if falshivschiki will now apply this knowledge in their dirty business, issues such as provenance, age of the canvas, brush strokes, composition, remain open.