History of Counterfeiting Grigorieva - Page 5 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Кирилл Сызранский · 18-07-2012, 20:57

[QUOTE="Joanne, 2173261 ']The deliberate falshakov with a broken signature given an official paper[/QUOTE]

However, [URL="http://forum.artinvestment.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=1679782&d=1342633227"]this[/URL] is not " Official Paper", and, in my opinion,
"Filkina Merit" .

Any document without a date is invalid, void.

джоанна · 18-07-2012, 21:08

on this account.
That's the official document, and then rebuke.

AlexSpb · 18-07-2012, 22:07

I do not want a lot of clever and unsubscribe in the subject, but I sincerely interested in the views of people in some areas, which now try to determine:

As a result of the case Preobrazhensky Russian art market has become far more pure, but he won as a whole - it is a matter not so simple ...
Well, it's a party. Another finding confirms the argument by which such cases are not encountered before, ie victims do not rush to court. Probity of people in this business, as in politics, I believe does not exist. Bought falshakov, so the fool, and go to court - will be even more stupid: so at least there is a chance of things quietly get rid of some money, and if obnaroduesh truth about her chances in court are minimal and their money probably will not ever see ...

This conclusion is confirmed by the fact that, even if you do not take into account the lost freedom, and to assess the purely material side of the issue, the losers were clearly the two sides. This is despite the fact that the challenged in court the amount was almost an order of magnitude greater than in the case of Grigoriev. It suffices to roughly estimate costs of both parties for several years - as one turns to the "Top Secret" was devoted to this question!

I suppose that is the case with the victim could induce Grigoriev zatevanie to litigation or the super-principle, or the super-greedy. I no longer believe in the second. And not because I know there is something peculiar about the Vassiliev. And the prospects of this trial are unknown to me as unknown, and the forces that both sides can use. Indeed, these forces did not necessarily have to be based on a material basis, you never know who has what is dating ...

The prefix "super-" use me, just means that, in the absence of a feeling that the loss of that money ends up living (and the grounds for such a feeling Vasilyev, sure, no), I am personally of the zatevaniya this litigation would have to keep one is the idea that its onset is not known who will be willing to ME - UNDERSTAND WHY.
A health (at least!), It is, anyway, one of the most valuable things that we have, and any "civilian position" as a driving factor in this consideration is clearly losing ... IMHO

джоанна · 18-07-2012, 22:19

try to identify other people's motives are always empty idea - in its deal to - but then the plot is painfully detective.
He has more money <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Кирилл Сызранский · 18-07-2012, 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexSpb; 2173491"

I guess that is the case with the victim could induce Grigoriev zatevanie to litigation or the super- principle , or the super- greedy .

Quote:

Andrey Vasilyev , collector: « If this thing was not a duplicate, which is located in the museum collection , and, in the museum , and has never reproduced and never exhibited . I would not pick up this whole scandal. Not only do we have people in the country , where someone cheated , spread , shod ».

.................

AlexSpb · 18-07-2012, 22:39

I read it and doubt it.
Why - wrote.

And you, Cyril, think that if Vasilyev now return his money, he did not take his statement (unless, of course, is not too late)?

It seems to me, he expects it to this development ...

джоанна · 18-07-2012, 22:43

I think that this story has already drawn a large amount <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Кирилл Сызранский · 18-07-2012, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexSpb

And you, Cyril, think that if Vasilyev now return his money, he did not take his statement (unless, of course, is not too late)?

Who did he return the money

No, I do not think that a) Vasiliev now hopes to return the money and b) it seems to me that now goes to the principle.

Added after 2 minutes 40 minutes

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Joanne, 2173261 '

It was she who knew the story of the" assurance of Thomas' Repin

But I do not understand what this story.

Tell me, Johanna, remind.

Allena · 20-07-2012, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirill Syzran

Tell me, Joanna, remind.

Join request.

джоанна · 20-07-2012, 15:18

she did not really know.
Associated with the celebration of the 300th anniversary of St. Petersburg.

He told one friend - already deceased.
I tried to look online - there is no end.
Except for one thing - just spyware.
If you type in google abbreviation "szrfriss" gets out a strange document.

18-07-2012, 21:08	Original language: Russian #42
джоанна Пользователь Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 42 Thanks: 1 Thanked 43 Times in 14 Posts Reputation: 86	on this account. That's the official document, and then rebuke. Attached Thumbnails

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Grigorieva help assess	Trevor117	Costs, valuation, attribution	0	14-06-2010 17:29
What to do with counterfeiting	Costa	Appraisal	23	22-01-2010 14:39
Product counterfeiting and investigation in the State Tretyakov Gallery	Жар-птица	Appraisal	5	28-03-2009 20:02
Artists of Montmartre against the counterfeiting of foreign	Евгений	Chatter	1	29-01-2009 18:12

18-07-2012, 20:57	Original language: Russian #41
Кирилл Сызранский Гуру Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: РФ, Самара Posts: 75,438 Thanks: 27,871 Thanked 55,336 Times in 24,288 Posts Blog Entries: 126 Reputation: 102396	[QUOTE="Joanne, 2173261 ']The deliberate falshakov with a broken signature given an official paper[/QUOTE] However, [URL="http://forum.artinvestment.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=1679782&d=1342633227"]this[/URL] is not " Official Paper", and, in my opinion, "Filkina Merit" . Any document without a date is invalid, void.

18-07-2012, 22:07	Original language: Russian #43
AlexSpb Старожил Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 588 Thanks: 290 Thanked 427 Times in 181 Posts Reputation: 817	I do not want a lot of clever and unsubscribe in the subject, but I sincerely interested in the views of people in some areas, which now try to determine: As a result of the case Preobrazhensky Russian art market has become far more pure, but he won as a whole - it is a matter not so simple ... Well, it's a party. Another finding confirms the argument by which such cases are not encountered before, ie victims do not rush to court. Probity of people in this business, as in politics, I believe does not exist. Bought falshakov, so the fool, and go to court - will be even more stupid: so at least there is a chance of things quietly get rid of some money, and if obnaroduesh truth about her chances in court are minimal and their money probably will not ever see ... This conclusion is confirmed by the fact that, even if you do not take into account the lost freedom, and to assess the purely material side of the issue, the losers were clearly the two sides. This is despite the fact that the challenged in court the amount was almost an order of magnitude greater than in the case of Grigoriev. It suffices to roughly estimate costs of both parties for several years - as one turns to the "Top Secret" was devoted to this question! I suppose that is the case with the victim could induce Grigoriev zatevanie to litigation or the super-principle, or the super-greedy. I no longer believe in the second. And not because I know there is something peculiar about the Vassiliev. And the prospects of this trial are unknown to me as unknown, and the forces that both sides can use. Indeed, these forces did not necessarily have to be based on a material basis, you never know who has what is dating ... The prefix "super-" use me, just means that, in the absence of a feeling that the loss of that money ends up living (and the grounds for such a feeling Vasilyev, sure, no), I am personally of the zatevaniya this litigation would have to keep one is the idea that its onset is not known who will be willing to ME - UNDERSTAND WHY. A health (at least!), It is, anyway, one of the most valuable things that we have, and any "civilian position" as a driving factor in this consideration is clearly losing ... IMHO

18-07-2012, 22:19	Original language: Russian #44
джоанна Пользователь Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 42 Thanks: 1 Thanked 43 Times in 14 Posts Reputation: 86	try to identify other people's motives are always empty idea - in its deal to - but then the plot is painfully detective. He has more money <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

18-07-2012, 22:39	Original language: Russian #46
AlexSpb Старожил Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 588 Thanks: 290 Thanked 427 Times in 181 Posts Reputation: 817	I read it and doubt it. Why - wrote. And you, Cyril, think that if Vasilyev now return his money, he did not take his statement (unless, of course, is not too late)? It seems to me, he expects it to this development ...

18-07-2012, 22:43	Original language: Russian #47
джоанна Пользователь Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 42 Thanks: 1 Thanked 43 Times in 14 Posts Reputation: 86	I think that this story has already drawn a large amount <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

20-07-2012, 15:18	Original language: Russian #50
джоанна Пользователь Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 42 Thanks: 1 Thanked 43 Times in 14 Posts Reputation: 86	she did not really know. Associated with the celebration of the 300th anniversary of St. Petersburg. He told one friend - already deceased. I tried to look online - there is no end. Except for one thing - just spyware. If you type in google abbreviation "szrfriss" gets out a strange document.