Contribution to the history of forgery. Kustodiyev by an unknown artist

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Eugene

Do you think that Vekselberg and his representatives simply lohanulis with this picture, but I think that Vekselberg and his team at the auction sellers lit pictures, with representatives from the auction house (possibly through intermediaries). . the result of one-sad.

Well, call auction, the seller picture "I would not. Still, the auction more intermediary between buyer and seller.
And, you see, if we assume that "Vekselberg and his team at the auction lit," it also "Vekselberg and his representatives simply lohanulis" ultimately ... "

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

and agree, if we assume that "Vekselberg and his team at the auction lit," it also "Vekselberg and his representatives simply lohanulis" ultimately ...

So I made that up .. sad ..

Сообщение от artcol

business in general - the risk

Business is understandable, but it is also an art business? Is called fraud ...

Сообщение от Eugene

Message from uriart
I remember back in the hall stood a fake bronze sculpture A. Archipenko
and two vases with Novodel used H-I. These items were a simple way.
In the catalog they were listed. But for some reason they put in the hall. Maul suddenly a wealthy man is interested.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Eugene

So I made that up .. sad ..

Business is understandable, but it is also an art business? It is called cheating ...

It is difficult now so talk about it with someone else's words. Here uriart was there, he has opinions. But I have not heard that someone from the officials of the auction was caught on the fact that he was trying to sell these items, passing them off as genuine, ie deception. So this is fraud. And so? Well, there were, and what?

[uriart]

artcol, yes, it says. It is.
I sproil, sold there. And he received an affirmative answer.
Next topic is not developed.

COP probably never punctured and therefore occupies the same position.
But the auction house in the special rules of their cites examples to determine the authenticity of the work.
Say, if the artist's name written in large letters, etc.

[uriart]

Cyril Syzranskiy, all true!
The experts from the buy-side missed.
Here the question in another!
If the leadership of the Russian Department allows himself to expose questionable things in the hall where the exhibit is the upcoming auction, then they are interested in selling these items. Is not that so?
For the purpose of their presence alone-interest a potential buyer.
There's still at the department of applied was put up for auction a set of silver ladles
which was finally sold. And as it turned out, scoops Novodel. Since the conditions of the auction does not involve the return of applied subjects, then the customer will disentangle the situation.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от uriart

If the leadership of the Russian Department allows himself to display questionable items in the hall where the exhibit is the upcoming auction, then they are interested in selling these items. Is not that so?!

Interested, yes.

Сообщение от uriart

For the purpose of their presence alone-interested potential buyers.

Yes, but then the price could be much lower than these vases IPE with label N-I ".
_____________________
I am surprised the reaction of the participants of this forum is to identify counterfeits in loud venues.
Everybody knows everything, the theme of Fakes ... fake ... is one of the most readable.
And everything still audible indignation about the "dishonesty" of some auctions.
They have their own problems, dealers and collectors own. No auction house, the tooth to give "100%authenticity will not. We must take me, its experts, let thy chosen lot "in all places stare."
No children were really crazy enough to earn billions, and now "Lohoma a fake," "Fool cardboard" themselves to send to the whole world ...

Here is a suspected forgery was:

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от uriart

COP probably never punctured therefore occupies the same position.

In his "mishaps" I blame myself.
And my position is simple: all old enough to publicly tear-snot dissolve and whining to the "mamma" complaining to escape.
_______________________

Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

Here is a suspected forgery was:

Yes, and V. Petrov categorically confirmed authorship Kustodieva:

Blame BM Kustodieva (1878-1927) categorically rejected. The work is a forgery, compilation, execution, most likely in the years 1930-1940.

[uriart]

In his "mishaps" I blame myself.
And my position is simple: all old enough to publicly tear-snot dissolve and whining to the "mamma" complaining to escape.
Of course such a position is not quite correct.
If you bought a jacket and only home he discovered that the torn, no doubt, assign the him back. Since you know that you can exchange or refund.
The same thing happens with pictures on the auctions.
In order for them and write their own rules and give a guarantee for five years.
When I clashed with them, I pointed to the auction rules.
What am I to appeal to them, they say write in their rules that auk.dom.ne shall knowingly sell counterfeits.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от uriart

If you bought a jacket and only home he discovered that the torn, no doubt, assign the him back.

What you compare "spindzhak" with a picture. Why such plebsky approach.
Paintings, pictures, special merchandise, luxury items and as jackets and trousers, socks and pants are not sold. By the way, socks and underwear, too, are not subject to exchange.
And we have already discussed these issues returns. Auctions are reluctant to return and it is clear: they will not only "ragged jacket" to return, but not trendy, not the color, style or size, if a buyer dramatically, for example, on weight /lost weight, which in our case means : failed to sell as dearly redeemed dealer lot and starts to return to the auction.

[Tana]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

Not the children were really crazy enough to earn billions, and now "Lohoma a fake," "Fool cardboard" themselves to send to the whole world ...

Here is a suspected forgery was:

Cyril Syzranskiy, basically it's quite different things, be an expert in the field of art (and especially in the field of all the art) and earn billions, it is interesting, and you somewhere met a specialist (who knows everything and never made a mistake) and that billionaire?
It is impossible to know asolyutno all! And there will always be issues in which each of us will be "Fool cardboard, for this and there are experts, assistants, so that it is their fault, and I think they all worked out.