The process for the exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006" is nearing completion

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Сообщение от Peter

We are the people

In-in, but do not judge.

Judge not, lest ye be judged,
For any trial judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure measure, with such and you will
measure.(Matthew 7; 1-2)

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Сообщение от Peter

We can pronounce.

Yes we can.
Here, read Ter-Oganyan:

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Very often, people are easily recognized in that they do not understand graffiti, animation, design, book illustrations, styles of clothing, from the fact that, in fact quite understanding the perspective of these cultural phenomena, and therefore aware of the complexity of the phenomenon.

Conversely, in the "fine art" and "contemporary art", as it continues, few people recognize their own incompetence. That is because there are so far away from this phenomenon that are not even able to appreciate the degree of its complexity.

Just strange that a man is positioning itself as a "modern hulozhnik" can not afford not to understand the graffiti. It's like a car mechanic did not understand scooters. After that he co-authored yavleetsya shedevralnono graffiti. It is amazing how you can do cool things, and without any###does not understand art. Doing it once the other can, and keep yourself later on the production of all x####difficult. Are not so it.

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Сообщение от artcol

You can gloat, you can sympathize, but it is a good precedent.

And the court ruled: The more you such pictures do not show the Orthodox. So?

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Сообщение от SergeiSK

The writer was prolific:
Author Okolonolya "wrote a new novel
Journal of Russian pioneer will publish a new novel Dubovitskij Nathan, author of the work "Okolonolya", RIA Novosti reported with reference to the chief editor of the journal Andrei Kolesnikov. Number, which will be published the first part of the novel "The machine is great and, or simplification of Dublin, goes on sale in late July.
Name Nathan Dubovitskij, writer, novice, became widely known after the media announced that under the alias hides the first deputy head of presidential administration Vladislav Surkov. Itself is not an official confirmed, and several times expressed views on the novel, changing his assessment to the contrary. Also available information, that in private conversations Surkov admitted authorship.
Kolesnikov said that was not expecting to return Dubovitskij literary work: "At least he did not make those plans, and for me, 'Cars and Great' has become 'the bomb'. I think he's such a stand, and for readers."
"The new novel, like the last, he came to me in connection to the public channel of communication with Nathan Dubovitskii - via e-mail - said Kolesnikov. - What I got, actually, is it the beginning of applying for an epic sequel, which the author offers readers append with him. However, Nathan Dubovitskii in the cover letter states that in his head the whole novel is already fully formed. But this does not negate the fact that the journal will be published and the best reading version.
"In essence, this epic of modern Russia and its environment. Language in the novel even more complex and metaphorical, as in 'Okolonolya.' That is the author of all this, he worked on himself," - noted Glavred "Pioneer." According to him, the author's definition of the genre "Cars" - gaga saga ("Okolonolya" had a subtitle gangsta fiction).
(Lenta.Ru)

Surkov like ideologue, he is working with reality as with the text. But to myself more and write? To do this, there are artists. Given that the perpetrators dB explanatory - it is possible that this V. Erofeev.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

In-in, but do not judge.

Judge not, lest ye be judged,
For any trial judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure measure, with such and you will
measure.(Matthew 7; 1-2)

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Yes we can.
Here, read Ter-Oganyan:

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Very often, people are easily recognized in that they do not understand graffiti, animation, design, book illustrations, styles of clothing, from the fact that, in fact quite understanding the perspective of these cultural phenomena, and therefore aware of the complexity of the phenomenon.

Conversely, in the "fine art" and "contemporary art", as it continues, few people recognize their own incompetence. That is because there are so far away from this phenomenon that are not even able to appreciate the degree of its complexity.

Just strange that a man is positioning itself as a "modern hulozhnik" can not afford not to understand the graffiti. It's like a car mechanic did not understand scooters. After that he co-authored yavleetsya shedevralnono graffiti. It is amazing how you can do cool things, and without any###does not understand art. Doing it once the other can, and keep yourself later on the production of all x####difficult. Are not so it.

http://teroganian.livejournal.com/?skip=30

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And the court ruled: The more you such pictures do not show the Orthodox. So?

Yes, in accordance with Article 282, as it is not funny.

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Andrei Erofeev :".... I want to say that there is ample evidence that this conflict is not fueled by leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church. What we have heard here from the father of Nicodemus, a representative of the Sretensky Monastery, this opinion is the father of Nicodemus, perhaps, is view all Sretensky Monastery, but it is not the official opinion of the Russian Orthodox Church, which may be made only by His Holiness Patriarch or Synod. There are only two bodies that can speak on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church. All other statements made in private.

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It is clear that the church is not from the moon come down to us. It is clear that there exist people with the Soviet past, and these people, just like you, are not educated in modern art. It's not their fault, but their misfortune. So many do not like modern art. But the official position of the Russian Orthodox Church - is different. And the other day she was very detailed in this sense is manifested.

But there are other organizations, hiding behind the name "Orthodox", who are opposed to modern art and against modern culture. This is not only the organization "People's Cathedral", it is also horugvenostsy, and DPNI. It dwarfed the organization, fortunately for our country, but they dwarf the organization is really in their programs have recorded such a position that modern culture in Russia, it is a culture, brought to us supposedly "from behind a hill, from overseas. And in this sense it is uncharacteristic of traditional national traditions. They may think so, but they are not entitled on the basis of these opinions deal with all the modern culture, as do Cassin, hamsters, Sergeyev and others with them - a small number of people.

They came to the exhibition not because they saw there is something anti-Christian, anti-religious. They attacked, as is known, the mass of other exhibitions. They attack the winery, they attack the NCCA, they generally would be attacked at all, just on the "Garage" Abramovich, they did not raise his hand, because they know that the teeth get. But wherever defend difficult places where the organization private, such as the Sakharov Centre, then they attacked with gusto. Attack, we can say for the weak. This is a very noble, of course, position. They attack the weak Theatre in Kaliningrad, because they, too, can not protect themselves.

They attack not only on the arts and theater, they attack the film, literature, and they walk all over the field of modern Russian culture. This principle convinced provocateurs who try to bleed the people, not versed in contemporary art, to persuade them by using cheap rhetoric and cheap provocation, it is not Russian art, and Russophobian art, anti-Christian, antipravoslavnoe. That's what touches people, so that is understandable to the public.

Is this "People's Cathedral". The prosecutor said that "People's Cathedral" - not an extremist organization. Obviously, the prosecutor general was not interested in what this organization. I want you to show several pictures depicting members of this organization. Well, let's not call her an extremist, let's call it having signs of extremism. She favored the death penalty, she was in favor of censorship, it has its paramilitary formation, which not only as early fascist brigade - with shovels along the highway, so they played with the weapon. Right now received data from them in the south of Russia. They take children from orphanages, form them into paramilitary brigades. That's all I got from the official website of People's Cathedral »- www.mosnarodsobor.ru. Look at their signs: "Nationalism - the will of the people," Nationalism - a hope, "" Nationalism - is freedom. " Signed - "The People's Cathedral". It is your posters, your banners.

On one side are believers dragged into whatever was, representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church under various pretexts, dragged to the snare, on the other side - the armed forces. At the head of the organization is a person who has already defeated the exhibition - a pogrom Sergeyev and the man who was imprisoned for having taken their arms and fired in the streets of Moscow - it Cassin. At the head are butchers and convicted in the past, people, and this organization, which raises far-reaching political goals. It is for the introduction of the dictatorship, she mobilization plan, which said Samodurov. And the problem of anti-modern culture - a small part of their policies. This is a small but important island, because it is through the struggle with the culture of this far-right extremist group may come to the surface of public life.

What is the position of our country and our Government against those who preach extremist views? This was very noticeable in the two years that runs our process. During these two years are people who in the government, the State Duma and the Public Chamber supported the "People's Cathedral", disappeared. All of your members - Chuyev, Kuryanovich Baburin - no more. State pushes and marginalize those dangerous to society and the individual-headed group, pushes out from public life. Where are these people? Irrespective of whether they, for example, on TV? How often do you see their performance in the mainstream press? Yes, there are not any there anywhere. Because they were not allowed there. The state is well aware of the danger of these people, because nationalism is just ruined our country.

I believe that we are witnessing the next political game. On the one hand squeezes nationalist public opinion, on the other hand, not to let them go into a militarized clandestine opposition, which would be dangerous for its guerrilla warfare, they throw a piece of meat, they throw the victim. And this turns out to be a victim of Russian contemporary culture, and specifically we Yuri Samodurov.

This process has the nature of the compensation of the victim. I believe that this policy is deeply wrong and wrong. Because I do not want to play the role of this piece and this sacrifice. This is totally against me is unfair. And, secondly, this policy is shortsighted, because the extremists will always require more and more, will always occur ...."
From the site of Andrei Erofeev http://www.aerofeev.ru/content/view/275/1/

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Do not "art" Nikiforov nothing useful in this topic, we ought to learn a little more to it ...

The results of the trial of the organizers of the exhibition "Forbidden Art" discussing with one of the defendants Yuri Samodurov and the head of the Orthodox community Radonezh Eugene Nikiforov.http://www.svobodanews.ru/content/tr...t/2099008.html

Yuri Samodurov:
Can I do now, politically courageous steps? I am a little ridicules himself and you. Once again I say, tired of fear and I just want the program, apparently coming to an end, I want to say that for me this sentence negates the secular nature of our state, not only for me. Because in a secular state should be a clear separation of religious and nonreligious sphere. I've never been a fighter against religion and never will. Religious consciousness as eternal as nonreligious. Both have the same absolute right to exist. No verdict can not convince the media non-religious secular consciousness that they are not entitled to the realization that for them it is important to remark that it is important in those forms that have been created for that culture.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

In all cases, the offended believer public. What? This is the second question. But note in Tsarist Russia artists and exhibition organizers are not tried and no fines.

I really did not want to join the discussion, but some of the categorical statement made to quote a century ago. I do not want to think that we "Ivana, kinship, and its history is not remembering." (Already published somewhere, but apparently, the experts do not read ...)

Message from the latest issue of "Golden Fleece" which was released in early 1910.

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Verdict Andrei Erofeev and Yuri Samodurov for organizing the exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006" caused a new wave of discussion in the foreign press about the role of the church in Russian society and the principles of the courts in modern Russia. "Artchronika" offers the most interesting comments.
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The Economist, London, UK
New dissidents
"Could be worse. Two years after the trial began, the organizers of the exhibition "Forbidden Art", which so outraged the ROC could be in prison if prosecutors succeeded. Instead, Andrei Erofeev, art critic and curator, and Yuri Samodurov, director (now former - Artchronika) Sakharov Museum, where an exhibition, was sentenced to fines of $ 150 thousand and 200 thousand, respectively, for inciting sectarian strife. It must be said that the exhibition not only insulted the feelings of believers who refused to watch it, how many outraged group of militant religious radicals, who have done everything to look insulted.

Perhaps the church and the state decided that the arrest Samodurov and Erofeev will have far-reaching consequences and cause more damage than the exhibition itself. However, the verdict brought a sense of relief rather than satisfaction. Relief - because both participants, have committed no crime will not go to jail. Nevertheless, the court found them guilty. "

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Louvre pour tous, Paris, France
Russia: Germans defeated the contemporary art

"Russian justice, condemning the organizers of the exhibition" Forbidden Art ", has recognized the rightness of the fascist organizations that filed suit. Of course, the two parties to this case were lucky in the fact that the international community stood on their side. Particularly active in protecting them were the Anglo-Saxon State. In addition, they supported the organization for the protection of human rights, for example, Amnesty International. It is possible that the state also exerted pressure on the process - this is a common practice in the Russian justice, especially in cases where there is risk of damage the country's image abroad. Finally, it must be noted that the victims of the prosecution were the organizers of the exhibition, and not the artists whose works have provoked such heated debate. It is much more subtle forms of censorship, and its existence can not but cause concern about the future of Russian art. And we still remains to be seen as united as followers of Hitler and fascism is rampant in Russia.

Neue Zuercher Zeitung, Zurich, Switzerland
In Russia won censorship

"For all of the accused may end up worse, but for the freedom of art in Russia, this sentence was simply crushing. On Monday, organizers of the exhibition ("Forbidden Art" - "Artchronika) Andrei Erofeev and Yuri Samodurov were found guilty of inciting religious hatred. The process was very tense because of the members of the ultra-Orthodox organization "People's Cathedral", which consider themselves the guardians of the Slavic-Orthodox values in Russia. During the two-year trial testimony of more than 80 witnesses. From the plaintiffs were mostly elderly faithful Christians who have not been on this show ...

After completion of the nationalists complained that the verdict was, in their opinion, too soft. They demanded for the defendants that not all seem to capital punishment: deportation to Europe ".

http://www.artchronika.ru/news.asp?idnews=456

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Сообщение от dedulya37

And we do remains to be seen as united as followers of Hitler and fascism is rampant in Russia ».

So, against which fought for it and bump.

Did not even have to write. And it will be black and white, and vice versa.

Shl And before people the priest believed, yes. Then the pious were, but now?

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