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Сообщение от Konstantin

pension in Moscow 7000 rub. And the prices?

OK, finish.
At lastly. 4 t. rubles is sradny pension in the country.
Average !!!
And in Moscow: The minimum pension in Moscow by the end of this year will exceed 10 thousand rubles, told RIA Novosti the Metropolitan Municipality. "By the end of 2009 it is planned to increase the amount of pension and city surcharges to double the subsistence minimum of the pensioner, which, according to preliminary calculations, amount to approximately 10,5 thousand rubles" - the source said.
Minimum !!!
And that's about the difference in prices as you mozhite judge you the same for Russia, as I do not go?
I and the prices of grocery markets in the regions where people are buying "long playing" products, can compare with the Moscow himself in Moscow, where he studied, traveled to a day off on its own branch (from net ponds farther from the center) there to buy food for a week so and now the topic, as they say.
Here at the Moscow food market prices than in glubinnke, Konstantin, below.
And if the products do not buy the alphabet taste and not even in supemarketah night, most home cooking. we can modestly on food waste. Less, in any br than in the same basket, than in the regions.
Thus here ....

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Suffice it to say that Sweden, according to international rating, is not the second, not the third place in the world NEkorrumpirovannosti society. Russia, remember that closes a hundred together with Nigeria ...

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P.S. A link to the newspaper "Pravda" for me personally, the same as a link to the newspaper lemon. But perhaps I am greatly mistaken ...

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What is this "Russian client" in the vast majority? I saw with my own eyes: bumpkin with raspaltsovkoy and their ladies, hung with diamonds from the top to tail and outgoing blue steam in their sables not removed even in the room.
If a customer buys five paintings by 50 thousand dollars each - who he is, by definition? No one local collector, who lives on a fair income and paying taxes, afford it can not, is a medical fact ...

... This is not the only place allowed to diddle Russian. Do I have to tell you how to behave "Russian people for a rendezvous?
You know yourself. Here here and attitude. And how do you relate to Caucasians, Tajiks and other "chock"? And that they have felt? Something not heard that in Europe, so treated as the unloved Russian propaganda and buffoon Zadornov Americans. And, God forbid, to his ...

... So it turns out that Russian uneducated or inexperienced buyers purchase at auctions is that under the guise of originals there passed the other Russian. As my grandmother, "asked a red-haired black than you dyed beard" ...

... P.S. A link to the newspaper "Pravda" for me personally, the same as a link to the newspaper lemon. But perhaps I am greatly mistaken ...

The fact that you equate the newspaper Pravda to "lemon" indicates that you are completely unaware of what is happening in Russia. And it is not surprising! The ruling elite of Europe and the U.S. traditionally through the media creates a negative (and this is putting it mildly) the image of Russia. If you extract information from them that Russia appears degraded country scum. This is of course a lie!

  Please read this clever story. I hope it will help you look at the problem of Europe's relationship with Russia at some other angle.

Alexei Pushkov: "Russia - is such a bad child of Europe"

( "Business", Russia)

28/04/200816: 47
On the eve of the 10-year anniversary of the television program 'Postscript' her head and leading Alexey Pushkov answers readers' questions InoSMI.

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Alex, 28.04.2008 14:34

question: Alex, thank you for coming here (on InoSMI) again! Throughout the presidential term of Vladimir Putin, we have witnessed the unjustified attacks by the western media on him, the Kremlin as an institution of supreme state power in Russia, and Russia in general. Edward Lucas, for example, allows himself to argue on behalf of the Russians about what is good and bad for Russia, as if he himself is a citizen of Russia. Are there effective ways to influence the degree of impartiality of your foreign counterparts - for example, some economic instruments or methods of "coercive" effects (in a purely informational space, of course)? Stand before you, Alexander Rahr said, in effect, that, say, yourself, Western journalists just set up a negative - though personally I find in such a systematic crackdown on Russia's leadership a purely selfish interest and not sincere attitude. As demonstrated your joint conference with Quentin Pilom and it seems that with Lucas, to convince them - a hopeless exercise. What then remains for us to do?

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response: I think that Alexander Rahr in many respects. And, of course, strong-arm methods are absolutely excluded. The point is that the West created a culture of negative attitudes towards Russia, about which he wrote in 19 century N. Danilevsky, for example, and about which he wrote F. Dostoevsky. Because of some psychological characteristics of the West and, I think, largely under the influence of the Vatican, the Catholic Church after it was formed in Russia Orthodoxy and Russia took the wrong road, which went to Western and Central Europe. It has since Russia was seen as something belonging to Europe geographically, but also to the marginal areas of Europe, but not belonging to Europe ideologically. And then there is a very cautious attitude - that the Russian others, that they are different. In this stubbornly suspicious attitude towards Russia, in this deep-seated mistrust, in this ideological intransigence, there is something tribal, there is something primal when living in the neighborhood tribes hated each other more than anything. While the distant tribes, say, a tribe of Chinese, could not call a special hatred simply because they do not come into contact with him, and it is generally implicated in other historical roots. It could generate curiosity and interest, could cause a desire to colonize, which by the way, and began to make the Western powers in the 19 century. But it did not cause hatred.

I draw your attention to the fact that the West is virtually no people who are with the same fury, attacking China, with which they attacked Russia.

I recently spoke at the Nixon Center in Washington. And after the performance of well-known American political scientist, a skeptic of Russia, which at one time was a diplomat and Clinton's special representative for Russia and the CIS, was convince me that Russia should abandon their past, to condemn its imperial past, to condemn the Stalinist era, condemned their foreign policy. He spoke with such passion about it that I was surprised why he, a Croat by birth, American by nationality, so fiercely to me shows why Russia should abandon its past. And I asked other Americans, if America says such things Chinese. He said no. "Why?" He replied that 'it is pointless in the first place, and, secondly, the Chinese past is so far from us, that why should we ask them to renounce it?'.

We, as I explained to a French researcher, for the example of the West, where they proved themselves that they were better. Always important point of reference. It is ridiculous to argue that the West is more democratic than China. It is so clear that this did not impress. But Russia - is such a bad child of Europe. In his example, children from good families shows how not to behave.

As he told me: 'We in Russia hate worst traits of themselves'. Moreover, these traits are often attributed to us, exaggerate and magnified. And there is the image of bloodthirsty imperialist Russian. Besides that the human history the Western powers made a lot more bloodthirsty acts: a history of colonization of Asia, South America and Africa proves it. There can be no reproach Russia some heinous crimes against hundreds or millions of people when the Russia Empire was expanding its borders. Yes, there were wars in the Caucasus and Central Asia, but there was no genocide against the local population. While Cortes, Pizarro and other conquistadores, who were carrying fire and sword to the Catholic faith in Latin America, they have destroyed up to 2 million people. So-called American democratic civilization was born through the destruction of local Indian population. Everybody knows. And the crimes of the British in India are also known. But at the same time we are accused of imperialism, bloodthirsty, crimes against humanity.

I think that Russia - a convenient object for the transfer of Western sins and to divert people's attention from the crimes that were committed by the West. Here we not only typical distrust of neighboring tribes, which, though adopted Christianity, but in a somewhat different form, ie another religion. This is the desire to establish themselves at our expense. To say that they - the native civilization began, and next there is a country that throughout its history was just a rebuke of European civilization.

There are also purely political purposes, finally. And this is the third time. Returning from Washington, I looked out the airplane movie "Charlie Wilson's War" (Charlie Wilson's War) with Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts. I looked at him with great interest and with great indignation. Because it is deeply anti-Russian film. This is a film about the crimes that are committed during the Russian war in Afghanistan. It is not that they did not commit crimes, and talk about what the film shows the hatred of America to Russia.

This film is made in such a way to prove that the Americans in Iraq is nothing particularly wrong with not commit. But look what they did Russian in Afghanistan! There are such phrases as: 'Do you think that you want to kill a Russian? " With approval and support shown hatred toward Russia, which exists in certain circles in the United States, may be in extreme forms.

I was surprised because we do not make these films about Americans. We're not making movies about the crimes of the Americans in Vietnam. Although could, because the crimes were terrible, they are known all over the world. We do not make a film about how Americans staged coups in Latin America, that on their conscience, those thousands of people who were tortured by Pinochet. We're not doing such films. The Cold War ended. We stopped to settle scores with America's ideological and propaganda sphere.

And there always come out of the terrible Russian films, the terrible Russia. For example, a film by David Cronenberg ( "Eastern promises') about the Russian in London, which shows the Russian mafia. Our films, our kinokultura, turn to a completely different way. And there always supported this negative image of Russia.

Naturally, many members of the media are its carriers. It is very deep roots. Very often you talk to these people and do not know, and whether to talk with them? Do this at least some sense? Because they either do not want you to understand, or distort, or served you in this light, that would be better if you tell them nothing.

On the other hand, I do not agree with Rahr. I meet a lot of Western journalists, a small minority, but nonetheless, they are many who sincerely and seriously interested in what takes place in Russia, that Russia is not trying to condemn, but to understand. There are journalists, ideologues, it is important for them to condemn, but to understand - not important, it is important to hold its line. But there are journalists, scholars or just journalists who merely conscientious people, for such Western journalists, it is important to understand what is happening in Russia and bring this understanding to the Western audience. And I think that now with these journalists must work.

From the people who admire themselves to the loss of pulse and who believe that American civilization is the highest good of mankind created with them to talk is useless. Let them stay in his enthusiastic self-perception and write all these your stupidity. Makes no sense to invite them to Russia, it is meaningless to them to arrange a meeting with the president. I sometimes marvel at the actions of those people who organize our leadership contacts with Western journalists and political scientists. Western journalists and political scientists have come here, smiling Putin, ingratiating shake hands with him, ask him flattering questions, then come to America and want to exclude Russia from the Group of Eight '.

There are so-called 'Valdai Club'. In the framework of President Putin a few years in a row in September, met with Western journalists and political scientists. There are people who are good to us, there are people who are reserved, but willing to accept what we say. And there are people who constantly act out of hostility map of Russia. This is their main goal and the life and work. Why did they invite? Why would they organize a meeting with Putin, they are returning to Europe or America, used for anti-Russia propaganda? That is totally incomprehensible to me.

The Americans maintain ties with those with whom they feel have chances to talk with those who can take their messages. Yes, these people may criticize the Americans, but they are ready to listen and they can hear. What is the point to liaise with the people who are not able to be honest, I can not say.

But with journalists, gravitating towards objectivity, to work, of course, necessary, and these journalists are. I think it is very many journalists from CNN, ABC, BBC, with whom I talked in the past 10 years. They tried to understand Russia rather than condemn it. Another thing, the unfurling of their content editors in London or the United States. But these journalists I have seen an interest in what is really happening in Russia. These journalists are, and they need to create conditions for a better understanding of what is happening in the country. We can not take the position that there is some guidance offices, that 'all of us there is no love, no matter where we do not understand, it is still on us there will be a bad writing'. This is also the wrong position.

I would suggest that separate flies from cutlets. Troublemaking buzzing flies, which are stored in large quantities in the Western press, we can not convince them - they are flies, and will remain. But people who are able to perceive, it is necessary to allocate and work with them. And then the result will be.

Continuation of the article here: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/blog.php?b=3891

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Сообщение от Tjutchev

The fact that you equate the newspaper Pravda to "lemon" indicates that you are completely unaware of what is happening in Russia.

That's right, "lemon" honest!

Сообщение от Tjutchev

Please read this clever story.

Lol!

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On the eve of the 10-year anniversary of the television program 'Postscript' her head and leading Alexey Pushkov

Shoutbox Administration of the President, Comrade. Surkov, backers of projects "Walking Together" and the movement Nashi.
Who do you keep all here, comrade. agitator-propagandist-putinist-Nashi??

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Сообщение от Tjutchev

The ruling elite of Europe and the U.S. traditionally through the media creates a negative (and this is putting it mildly) the image of Russia.

Where such language teach something? At the Old Town Square?

[Eriksson]

Tjutchev, article read. Do not like it. Biased and tendentious. It's obvious from what is fed trough g.Pushkov.

[Евгений]

Dear Konstantin, about the seminars to understand how a little on the topic (section-Auction), but to read a pro delirium "Russia - is such a bad child of Europe" meaning?
There is a section "Arbor" ..

Сообщение от Eriksson

biased and tendentious. It's obvious from what is fed trough g.Pushkov.

All right .. I agree with you.

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Сообщение от Eriksson

Tjutchev, article read. Do not like it. Biased and tendentious. It's obvious from what feeders fed g.Pushkov.

And what kind of "trough" he "eats"?

What exactly do you see bias and bias?

[Konstantin]

I poudalyal here hints.

Tjutchev, let's stop, everything is a hundred times discussed.

And what kind of "trough" he "eats"?

A good theme, and we are its policy zafludili.

There is a topical conversation pass through auctions of fakes, let's about it.
To maintain the conversation, I propose a reflection on the following.
Here thieves stole a car, if they can sell it through the auto show in Sweden? Hardly. There and check everything and spoiling. So buying a car showroom in Sweden or Germany, we do not fear that Narva on crime. But in the case of the paintings can be - why? Discussions that Russian criminalized this business - not correct, but why then the car is not criminalized?

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Сообщение от Konstantin

Here are crooks stole a car, if they can sell it through the auto show in Sweden?

Through auto show in Sweden, it is very unlikely.
But at Automarket somewhere in Germany, it is even the Swedes. They come to Germany for cheaper cars, incidentally.

[Konstantin]

I do not know what Automarket, and that there our Swede car sell? I'm not talking about the flea market, but about the auto show official site, as well as auction.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

I poudalyal here hints.

Tjutchev, let's stop, everything is a hundred times discussed.


A good theme, and we are its policy zafludili.

There is a topical conversation pass through auctions of fakes, let's about it.
To maintain the conversation, I propose a reflection on the following.
Here thieves stole a car, if they can sell it through the auto show in Sweden? Hardly. There and check everything and spoiling. So buying a car showroom in Sweden or Germany, we do not fear that Narva on crime. But in the case of the paintings can be - why? Discussions that Russian criminalized this business - not correct, but why then the car is not criminalized?

Well, it's simple. "Samples" number of the car and its owner (as well as all the former owners and their home addresses) can be three seconds and the computer registry, and via SMS from your mobile phone and the regular phone through the electronic voice mail. With such transparency, and if someone drives away the machine, it is young people - ride with the girls, the next day throw the car at the first pillar, if not broken up. There was a time (90's) when drove a very expensive machine in the Baltic countries and Russia (excuse !!!), but the business quickly slammed.
Percentage of car theft is very low. There is nothing to criminalize ... But the Swedes bikes from each other boxed non-stop.