Round table "Russian Banks and their role in the art market" - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Vladimir · 26-03-2014, 17:17

Yesterday at the Institute of Art with the participation MKAAD round table " Russian Banks and their role in the art market ." A formal report , I'm afraid forces will not suffice . But concisely - that remember :

1. According to statistics from Art Market Research on a 5-year interval investment in art brought 15.8 %per annum , while the shares of S & P500 - 8,5%. Has become the fastest growing segment of Contemporary Art - 18.3 %per annum. For comparison, the old masters - 6.8%

2 . 10 %of the investment haynetov fall on alternative investments , of which 17%- in art .

3 . Recommendation Barclay's Capital - hold 10%in the art assets with investment horizon of 10 years.

4 . The buying activity collectors affects weather - weather permitting days of auction results are better.

5 . Peak procurement corporate collection bank Unicredit - 25 thousand euros per item .

6. Armenian cycle Drevin Unicredit once bought for 10 thousand dollars

7. In the office of the director of the bank Unicredit Drevin hang 2 large , 2 figures and Falk Osmyorkin 1918.

8. The meeting UniCredit now about 200 works . Priority in the purchase - to works on paper 1950-1960 -ies. Peer - century authors .

9. Of 32 million millionaires only 600,000 are collectors. That is less than 2%. In Russia, I think , and all of a percent. We felt like empirically. But generally , it's a shock - digit. Still sounded figures that collectors in Russia amount approximately equal to the number of collectors in Belgium and the Netherlands. Here in this little hard to believe .

10 . Ana Marichevich of Maricevic Fine Art ( by the way, lives in Belgium ) said , in my opinion , the key phrase that external factors and profitability - it's all important , but the risk of mistakes (buying the "wrong" thing) in a private collection , with more than outweighs any external risks . In other words, as I understand it , you need to pay maximum attention to authenticate and not on charts of price indices . What is hard to disagree .

11. Michael Efremovich Perchenko strongly not favor auctions ( poorly understood and sell things wrong to attribute ) . And yet, it turns out, can not stand " degenerate art " (especially "The Scream" by Munch ) .

Photo - logos bank and to provide art- banking in Russia .

prosto_valentina · 27-03-2014, 09:05

Thanks vladimir is extremely interesting information - but how to get into these banks to the artist's question.

Vladimir · 27-03-2014, 12:27

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Originally Posted by prosto_valentina; 3066131"

but how to break into these banks to the artist 's question

I do not know , but is it necessary? Well, the bank will buy 1-2 work , buy cheap, weather it does not do . In addition , the bank is its collection once in a hundred years - to the general public the effect is minimal. What's left? The phrase in the biography that works are in the collection of such and such a bank? It is also almost does not work. The only obvious advantage if the customer banking art draws attention to what things to buy pot and mimics this strategy.

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Remind a couple of photo reports about bank collections:

Collection SDM: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=225961

Collection Bank UniCredit: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?p=2331081

Kaffsky · 27-03-2014, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

Remind a couple of photo reports about bank collections :

Collection SDM : http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=225961

Vladimir, a collection of SDM and concrete Gallery SDM ,
crept Public bug in the attribution of "Prunus" in 1989 under the "authorship" - Tishko S. :
http://www.sdm-gallery.ru/entrance_t...t&category=132

Actually -is work Sergei Fedorovich Shishko (1911-1997), People's Artist of Ukraine:
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...61&postcount=1

Vladimir, please notify Gallery SDM on mistake, which must be corrected !

Vladimir · 27-03-2014, 21:23

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Originally Posted by Kaffsky

Vladimir, please notify Gallery SDM error that should be corrected!

Well, thank you.

Зея · 28-03-2014, 05:15

Vladimir, and whether information about banks who buy, collect items PDI serious??
Thank you.

Vladimir · 28-03-2014, 12:10

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Originally Posted by Zeya

no information about whether banks who buy, collect items PDI serious?

Never heard of such a practice.

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Originally Posted by Kaffsky

please tell Gallery SDM error

wrote them

Kaffsky · 28-03-2014, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

wrote them

Vladimir, thank you.
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26-03-2014, 17:17	Original language: Russian #1
Vladimir Гуру Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 8,085 Thanks: 3,353 Thanked 25,446 Times in 5,540 Posts Reputation: 23527	Round table "Russian Banks and their role in the art market" Yesterday at the Institute of Art with the participation MKAAD round table " Russian Banks and their role in the art market ." A formal report , I'm afraid forces will not suffice . But concisely - that remember : 1. According to statistics from Art Market Research on a 5-year interval investment in art brought 15.8 %per annum , while the shares of S & P500 - 8,5%. Has become the fastest growing segment of Contemporary Art - 18.3 %per annum. For comparison, the old masters - 6.8% 2 . 10 %of the investment haynetov fall on alternative investments , of which 17%- in art . 3 . Recommendation Barclay's Capital - hold 10%in the art assets with investment horizon of 10 years. 4 . The buying activity collectors affects weather - weather permitting days of auction results are better. 5 . Peak procurement corporate collection bank Unicredit - 25 thousand euros per item . 6. Armenian cycle Drevin Unicredit once bought for 10 thousand dollars 7. In the office of the director of the bank Unicredit Drevin hang 2 large , 2 figures and Falk Osmyorkin 1918. 8. The meeting UniCredit now about 200 works . Priority in the purchase - to works on paper 1950-1960 -ies. Peer - century authors . 9. Of 32 million millionaires only 600,000 are collectors. That is less than 2%. In Russia, I think , and all of a percent. We felt like empirically. But generally , it's a shock - digit. Still sounded figures that collectors in Russia amount approximately equal to the number of collectors in Belgium and the Netherlands. Here in this little hard to believe . 10 . Ana Marichevich of Maricevic Fine Art ( by the way, lives in Belgium ) said , in my opinion , the key phrase that external factors and profitability - it's all important , but the risk of mistakes (buying the "wrong" thing) in a private collection , with more than outweighs any external risks . In other words, as I understand it , you need to pay maximum attention to authenticate and not on charts of price indices . What is hard to disagree . 11. Michael Efremovich Perchenko strongly not favor auctions ( poorly understood and sell things wrong to attribute ) . And yet, it turns out, can not stand " degenerate art " (especially "The Scream" by Munch ) . Photo - logos bank and to provide art- banking in Russia . __________________ AI в Telegram: https://t.me/artinvestmentru AI на Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/artinvestment

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Зея Старожил Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Иркутск. Posts: 650 Thanks: 1,729 Thanked 485 Times in 168 Posts Reputation: 957	Vladimir, and whether information about banks who buy, collect items PDI serious?? Thank you.