One of a hand painted picture?

[artman]

Lord Experts please help with the comparison, whether a hand written data kartiny.Delo that one as you can see the signature is erased and it is written on hardboard, and the second on a cardboard (with signatures) and one more question-whether in the early 50 -- ies hardboard?

[vyadem]

Originally Posted by artman

the question was whether, in the early 50-ies canvas

In the west, if I'm not mistaken, he is actively used in the late 20's ... we have a little bit later

[K-Maler]

Originally Posted by artman

Lord experts please help with the comparison, whether a hand written data kartiny.Delo that one as you can see the signature is erased and it is written on hardboard, and the second on cardboard (with signature) and more question-whether in the early 50-ies hardboard?

It is possible that the hand of one. Although the color they are very different, but one compositional device. Perhaps it's student sketch. Masonite exactly was in the early 60's, as well as He invented a little earlier and it is possible to date is ... It is worth notice that the canvas (I think of variants known as "Masons") is actually a very good material for a painting: a change of temperature and humidity, he reacts in a flash with the colors, ie, no cracks appear. This is a remark in the book of Professor Slansky "painting technique", he investigated the matter and it is confirmed by the artists. Unfortunately, the fashion canvas often makes paintings buyers refuse to purchase things on to hardboard, even if it is on canvas pasted on cardboard, which is generally very good, especially for small works.

[vyadem]

Originally Posted by K-Maler

masonite exactly was in the early 60's, as well as He invented a little earlier

A brief outline of the story:

The appearance of fiberboard

What is called hardboard? Keep in mind, cardboard - this is the fiberboard !!!

"In 1858, American Lyman was obtained the first patent for the production of fibreboard. A few years later, in 1864, another scientist named Munch came to think that the paper - this is essentially a very thin fiber board. They have been created for the installation of production plates without binder, with the help of hot pressing.

Improved method of producing fibreboard American Mason in 1924, quite by accident. The scientist had gone previously turned off the steam valve for hot pressing, but because of the failure of crane pairs continued to act in the press. Returning, Mason found in the installation of the slab is very high density. "
 
My father somehow communicated with restorers just on account of the topic. As I wrote above, canvas began to actively use the West in the late 20's - early 30-ies. We use began after the war about the late 50's, when adjusted manufacture. But it does not figure! Same conservators met the pre-war work done on hardboard, such Burachek (1871 - 1942). Tobish canvas in the Soviet Union was before the war ...

[Tana]

somewhere I saw the first picture, and has recently ....

[vyadem]

Tana, remember!

[Кирилл Сызранский]

vyadem, the question always arises about fiberboard. Well, that and you have confirmed mass-con. 50-ies. in the USSR.

[vyadem]

Cyril Syzransky, well, my little credit here ... just gave words of people who really understand this question ... for what they and many thanks!

[artman]

Originally Posted by Tana

somewhere I saw the first picture, and recently ....

And I threw it on the forum as a painting by an unknown artist, somewhere 2-3 months ago with the question "rate"

[K-Maler]

Originally Posted by vyadem

What is called hardboard? Keep in mind, cardboard - this is the Fiber!

Yes, but the "thick" fiberboard used more builders and it ridge when wet, ie not suitable for artistic work. But dating is more important than another. Our artists are very long enjoyed official prdavavshimsya primed cardboard. It is easier, but it was important to travel. It written sketches. "Thin" fiberboard used later, it is hard, but you can take the offer large size, will not warp. It is widely used in custom decorative works and at the same time "was applied artists were selected trim ...