How should we talk to artists about painting

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Сообщение от Tasha ; 1920191"

I think that people having at least a miserly attitude to art can not simply from the topic in the subject speak disparagingly of " hudozhnichkah " as a whole and individually, and no matter what these hudozhnichki showed to the world a masterpiece or not .

Sorry, but in my opinion, you accept the irony of " derogatory otzyvanie ."

I know that artists are extremely painful accept any criticism , but that's their problem , you see, but not expressed.
Yes, you can keep quiet when someone puts their amateur art here , the result of his passion - " hobby ."
But someone , at 10-20 times the show favors frankly , that is used . That many of the authors and participants are asked to speak .
This may be someone will perceive as a " derogatory comment ".

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Dear iside! You are not "bad" , and your behavior (statements , manipulation, and the implications of t d and t n) ' is incompatible with the image there , where you are trying to claim.
It's just screaming about your incompetent ...
And again you have (yet again !) Are confusing cause and effect of manipulating and again , trying to (this time ) implitsirovat ( very childish ) nechavist ..
It makes no sense to comment on meaning when sung emotions ....
Your NATA



I also ( in the sense that the topic " Isis bad ")

And you compare their number of bans and bans party iside and it's clear who " manipulated ", " implies a hatred of " ...
Let me remind you one more time - because of your behavior on the forum , several participants at different times in the left samozaban , and many refused to enter into a dialogue with you - it's called on forumnom language " ignore ". I am including . But then once you are sorry and that's responsible.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 1920261"

I'm sorry, but in my opinion, you accept the irony of " derogatory otzyvanie ".

Cyril Syzran, I'm sorry, but the irony is something more subtle and relatively nezloblivoe , in my opinion .

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 1920261"

Yes, you can keep quiet when someone puts their amateur art here , the result of his passion - " hobby ".

I think it would be nobly >

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Сообщение от Tasha

Cyril Syzran, I'm sorry, but the irony is something more subtle and relatively nezloblivoe, in my opinion.

The degree of "fineness and nezloblivosti" kakzhdy understand his own way.

Dantes and Martynov poets embraced irony as they are apprehended.

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It would be nice, and they would remain silent.
Yeah?

Сообщение от Tasha

I think it would be a noble <!--~ ~ ->

But here's another thought.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

The degree of "fineness and nezloblivosti" kakzhdy understands her.

Cyril Syzran, I think you're right, everyone is different.

I speak for myself.
And nothing more.

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Сообщение от Vivian; 1919601"

Even if you know the specific names of those who are on contract and with whom they contract, is that something will change?

Change the understanding, perhaps ...
It would have yielded an excellent material for the study of existing strategies (methods) promotion (synergy with galleries, dealers) artists .. Is it bad to know?

Сообщение от Vivian; 1919601"

There is professional ethics, and, if this do not want to extend this relationship by the participants themselves, no one the right to talk about it, right?

first, all that "secretly" sooner or later anyway SANET "manifest" ("murder will conceal")
And secondly, if the phenomenon is impossible to describe, it either does not exist or it is illegal (criminal )...( and referring to the "ethics" gets dvusmysslennost)
PS Just a thought. "Nothing personal" (c)

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 1920261"

Did you compare the number of their bans and bans party iside

oh, zabante, for God's sake, I'll be heartily grateful! And then something I sat on these pointless poboltushkah ...
SC, no pity do not ("Watershed" by well-known principle, and there has been a long time and has already taken place - "everyone knows who is hu" (C),
By the way, Scientology-Pity the latest feeling (worse than death, if I remember correctly) .. (Well, you'll find if you know)

Manipulative personalities interact with each other perfectly, they communicate in a single mental language and correct understanding of behavioral patern each other (eg, unfortunately, most "in some places," and among "certain professions")
Because then the friction and conflict ... especially when many of the concepts are unclear, "blurred"

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Сообщение от Vivian; 1919601"

Even if you know the specific names of those who are on contract and with whom they contract, is that something will change? There are professional ethics, and, if this do not want to extend this relationship by the participants themselves, no one the right to talk about it, right?

It is certainly true. I vaguely formulated - I'm not interested payroll, etc. I just really can not usually capture the economic component of many artists.

See, for example, that this or that gallery exhibits works by the artist (and not always afishiruya that they are "on sale") and then, you see, these same things pop up in a variety of virtual galleries (theoretically competing), so even with the different prices, and often at the same time, on his personal website the artist invites you, in case you are interested, contact him directly ...

 All this is accompanied by a very bored with this refrain (from both sides - both dealers and artists), which is extremely creative, he says, can not survive and those who count on it can only be pitied. So you want to understand - where is the truth, and that, after all, live, those who like it or not, regularly create works of art, requiring time, place, and at least break-even.

That's what I confess, interested

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Сообщение от IV; 1920411"

I see, for example, that one or the other gallery exhibits works by the artist (and not always afishiruya that they are "on sale") and then, you see, these same things pop up in a variety of virtual galleries ( on the idea of ​​competing), and even with different prices, and often at the same time, on his personal website the artist invites you, in case you are interested, contact him directly ...

This is often the case. Like, who was the first to sell.

Сообщение от IV; 1920411"

which is extremely creative, he says, can not survive and those who count on it you can only feel sorry

A good artist can live demanded only creativity, good, but not much in demand artist is forced to look for jobs (private lessons, teaching, etc.), or survive. There are so many.

Сообщение от IV; 1920411"

So you want to understand - where is the truth, and that, after all, live, those who like it or not, regularly creates works of art, requiring time, place and self-sufficiency at least.

Everyone gets out, as you can. Faced with this every day. Friends, fellow artists to help, if we are very tight. Life is so. Everything can not be successful ...

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA; 1920341"

first of all, all that "secretly" sooner or later anyway SANET "manifest" (" murder will conceal ")
And secondly, if the phenomenon is impossible to describe , it either does not exist or it is illegal ( criminal )...( and referring to the " ethics " gets dvusmysslennost )

How many times requested by the administration did not hesitate to contact me and do not quote my messages! Please listen to my request.

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Сообщение от IV; 1920411"

I see, for example, that one or the other gallery exhibits works by the artist (and not always afishiruya that they are " on sale ") and then , you see, these same things pop up in a variety of virtual galleries ( on the idea of ​​competing) , and even with different prices , and often at the same time , on his personal website the artist invites you , in case you are interested , contact him directly ...

That something is not right ...
It should not be , it is wrong and the artist as being unfair.
What is this gallery ? New ? Without the experience ?
Decent (over - menne ) galleries do not even consider artists who use the sites for sproektirovannye sales, where buyers can contact the artist directly ..

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Vivian, calm and abstracted

Put me in a "blacklist" and be happy!
What's the problem?
I do not write for you

Or let me banned, rest and uspokoetes (about time!)

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Vivian, thank you all as laid out on the shelves, much clearer it became.

As I understand it, the line "in demand - Demand not very." is very shaky in the former Soviet Union and so art dealers themselves are afraid to be bound by contracts with the authors.
Have to "run short dashes," especially not leaning in that. As sellers and buyers are afraid of "long-term projects" in countries where at any moment, everything can fly to hell. That's just how the artist explained that his artistic development and the possible recognition - unforgivable in the long run ...

As they say, trite but true. And everything depends on our notorious instability.

Сообщение от NATA NOVA; 1920481"

What do not you ...
It should not be, it is wrong and the artist as being unfair.
What is this gallery? New? Without the experience?
Decent (over-menne) galleries do not even consider artists who use the sites for sproektirovannye sales, where buyers can contact the artist directly ..

Some very good, in my opinion (and quite popular) artists I can name at random. The fact that they act in a way most likely indicates that they are not bound by the contract. Galleries, which, however, cooperate with them, probably are not ready to take responsibility for their promotion, but also to abandon the possible profit (as Vivian wrote, "who was the first to sell") did not want.

Links can send in a personal, not to discuss specific names in this context