The decline of the art of oil painting - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Santa · 19.10.2011, 01:41

When reading the book , VV Tyutyunnik "Materials and technique of painting ", is very interested in this t.s analysis -
.. The best oil painting techniques were developed and applied in the Renaissance , which explains the excellent preservation of paintings by artists of the time. In the XVIII century the tradition of old masters , the painters , the strict quality requirements for materials and compliance in the best rules and practices gradually become obscured , thus , the decline of oil painting techniques ..
Indeed , pictures of modern authors , with a small time of existence , often have a very sad face .
This begs the question - why the methods and techniques , proven not years ! For centuries - go into oblivion ..
The art of today - the life of one day?

NATA NOVA · 19.10.2011, 17:11

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This begs the question - why the methods and techniques, proven not years! For centuries - go into oblivion ..

Because the interest money (investment potential), but not art.

Art has long been at anything ...

Santa · 19.10.2011, 22:37

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art has long been at anything ...

It is sad.

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What will posterity

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Игорь Гурьев · 19.10.2011, 23:25

It should be noted that the majority of paints used by the 19th and especially 20th centuries , were unknown to the artists of the Renaissance.

So , for example, in any Veronese something that is able to write a copy of the painting by Matisse, if he was asked - just was not suitable pigments .

As for the technique of oil painting , if it follow , then the picture is well preserved. Take, for example , Konchalovsky , or at least the same Claude Monet.

And if you do not follow , then blacken ( Courbet, who added the asphalt) , crack ( Tropinin , etc.) lose their brightness ( Kuindzhi ) ...

Another well-preserved paint well, at least at the same Plastov, although he wrote some pretty risky thick brushstrokes vperekryv .
But , you see , I knew what intervals should stand and what colors to each other can be mixed .
Stozharau also not postramil .

Yes, and Matisse's all right , and Derain (although there are cracelures , but this is nonsense ).

Santa · 20.10.2011, 00:37

Guriev, Igor, in agreement on all items.

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Артём · 20.10.2011, 10:10

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This begs the question - why the methods and techniques , proven not years ! For centuries - go into oblivion ..
The art of today - the life of one day ?

Today materials themselves , to put it mildly , so-so . No need to wait 100 years , 10 years is enough to paint the pieces start to fall off from the bad "branded" canvases. I'm not talking about the artists, who often do not care about technology.

Amateur · 20.10.2011, 10:54

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So , for example, in any Veronese something that is able to write a copy of the painting by Matisse, if he was asked - just was not suitable pigments .

Super! Imagined Veronese, abandoned by the time machine in XX century and standing in line at valyutoobmennik to exchange their florins or pistols to modern money (I think it would willingly have done) in order to buy the right paint for him a copy ...

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Артём · 20.10.2011, 11:04

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imagined Veronese, an abandoned car at the time of XX century and standing in line at valyutoobmennik to exchange their florins on modern money (I think it would willingly have done) in order to buy the right paint for him a up ..

And then, scratching his head in amazement , looked at the tubes labeled " Blue FC " and " Green Veronese " and a synthetic brush .

NATA NOVA · 20.10.2011, 13:32

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. I'm not talking about the artists, who often do not care about the technology .

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art has long been at anything ...

This applies to sovrisku when oil (paint ) is used as a means of " performance" rather than as a painting ( in the traditional sense )
In fairness it should be noted that there are collectors, and artists who understand and give meaning and hudozhestennomu and level, and the technique of painting .

Oil paint is the queen of colors , oil paintings and queen of techniques.

Сергей Дородный · 20.10.2011, 22:57

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Because the interest money (investment potential), but not art.

Art has long been at anything ...

An exhaustive analysis.
Bad picture to burn, artists Possessors - to re-forging.

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