Auction GENESHAPIRO

[SAH]

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzranskiy

SAH, and then another draw in sponges offended: "Making doooooolgo shlaaaaaa ... I do not have the right, I'm going to complain, where's my 28 days! Where legitimate monthly cycle!"

Neee is only in the case when a thing is not that not ce and can not sell but if you sell and make it OK. At the heart good, in your pocket is not empty.

[Самвел]

In any case, I think very well, that is not Russian, and American auction, like this is a public forum, and is responsible for claims or other matters of that we all benefit. For sure, Mr. Shapiro, I expected that there will be such at this forume.V dalshneyshem forum, also contribute to the operation of the auction house, his doubts, or that a lot, and then to the public this site will be easier to negotiate directly no longer alone, but by a whole community on a given issue.

[Tana]

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzranskiy

Tana, auctions on the Internet, the recent trend. Earlier auctions do not take place, as you know, online.
People were sitting in the hall, bought, traded, purchases, and took with him.
Do you think the work of Russian or Ukrainian mail can influence the relationship between the auction and the buyer predpriyateem?
You do not want the parcel to wait two months, flew himself and take your things.
No? We must maintain a record of the timing of some of the time of delivery parcel to the addressee? So?

 Cyril Syzranskiy this way and not otherwise, and in the U.S. exactly!
but it turns out registriruem auction in the U.S., and the rules for the buyers set the "sovdepovskie" (I know how difficult we make a return to the store, especially if you simply change your mind), but in the U.S. came in technie 28 days and returned, and no one even asked "why?", let us and we will work both in the U.S. or in Europe and studying them.
Of course, returns in the auction because "he changed his mind" can not be, but clearly must be spelled out rules, the terms in which claims are accepted, I think in Germany, a period of 2 years at auctions Christie's and Sotheby's - 5 years, and why 28 days? ? this is very, very right, this time perhaps even a full examination will not suffice.

Cyril Syzranskiy as well as online auction differs from online stores?
So in online stores claims and returns are counted from the date of receipt by the buyer, no matter what mail, through what customs he comes, if the shop finds that the delivery is too long, he wrote, and we do not deliver to Ros, etc. . , There are rules for trade in each country and this store, the auction (depending on what country it is registered) is subject to the rules of trade (forgot the name though, it stipulates the right prdavtsa, buyer, duties, and what is not an auction seller?) , read as something of such rules in Germany, the UK (on the Internet can they find it).

Cyril Syzranskiy are just now placed an order, have the map data, but the payment will be removed when I sent the goods, and the return will be considered with the momenta of the goods for me, it did not otherwise need to know your rights! !
And if the goods are faulty, you have every right to return it to the technie, and no one you do not ask the question, why did not immediately notice a marriage have every right to return defective within one year, so if you suddenly change your mind, and decided that you do not need a thing (and without marriage), then you est28-30 days to get her back, without explanation of return, there are now rules !!!!! Here are the European rules, and in the U.S. too.

Posted 16 minutes

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzranskiy

But what he buys, denzhischi Crazy pays in the hands not holding "if?

Originally Posted by SAH

Who or what had made him buy? <!--~ ~--><!--~ 1 1 ~ -> That's interesting.

Cyril Syzranskiy that's your story buy at auction:
"At one west auction, prior to the sale went but the halls and drew attention to the picture. She seemed familiar to me. Well, friend and friend ... Who knows ...
And at the auction during the auction of its exhibit, I'm in the catalog and paid no attention. And no, I'm betting, and raised a card bought. brought home and found the same "smokers" in the Hermitage. "
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...89%D0%B8%D0%BA

no need to criticize someone and how to buy, anything can happen, you're also now picked up and bought without thinking twice, well, that in your case, all well and could be different with such a quick purchase, you'd think everything was bought only masterpieces and "puncture" no one has never been, do not believe it!
you know, they say "not rule"

about the auctions, especially those that appear remarks were relatively recently, and especially Internet auctions, they are not too experienced about what is put up, lowered his eyes to the fact that they take, most importantly, sales.
But the argument about the fact that "his own fault, where watched" I think simply indecent, imagine, if you do start talking to each corner (if you purchase an apartment, car, repair, etc.)

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Originally Posted by Tana

let us and we will work both in the U.S. or in Europe and studying them.

This is who you are now advise? Russians? Ukrainians?
Ha!

Added after 3 minutes

Originally Posted by Tana

online auction and what is different from the online stores?

And I do not know and do not want to be honest.
I know more. Antiques-specific "goods" under the general rules did not fall.
Do not wonder why, for example, can not be returned to the jewelry store?

Posted 12 minutes

Originally Posted by Tana

do not want to criticize someone and how to buy, anything can happen, you're also now picked up and bought without thinking twice, well, that in your case, all well and could be different with such a quick purchase , one might think that everything was bought only masterpieces and "puncture" or who have never been, do not believe it!

Correct.
But you do not know what was happening before bidding. I flew on the day of the auction and prior to the sale is not just walking through the halls, I saw three of their lot and did not believe his eyes, checking a number in the catalog and I have hair on his head moved: I saw the tremendous difference between the photographs of lots (photoshop Foreva! !) and their realnyim view. But it took my hair began to stir, and from what I remembered, but I'm on display had already ponakupil every evening at a friend's all day and see what surprises are there waiting for me.
And then I gave myself a vow: in absentia do not buy anything more, a maximum-ask friends to look in the real, to comply with my recommendations and see there and that's where I tell you.

Originally Posted by Tana

Of course, returns in the auction because" he changed his mind "can not be, but clearly need to be spelled out rules, the terms in which claims are accepted, I think in Germany, a term of 2 years at Christie's auction and Sotheby's - 5 years, and why 28 days? "It's very, very right, this time perhaps even a full examination will not suffice.

The conversation is that buying 10 paintings, for example, okeanomi and then selling them at home in Шепетівці with horooooshim Navarro, everyone is silent in a rag and pohihikivayut of fun, and bought a dubious thing, just like little kids running to her mother with tears: return the money, ah-ah-ah-ah ... Give blood-e-e-e! vermin-burzhuinskie-e-e-e! you have no conscience, not Christians, and and and!
And I like the rule Gelos:
immutable principle of our auctions is "examined, Approved, Purchased" - after bidding claims for the items purchased will not be accepted.
http://www.gelos.ru/rules/
Posted 16 minutes

Originally Posted by Tana

But the argument about the fact that "his own fault, where watched" I think simply indecent, imagine, if you do start talking to each corner (if you purchase an apartment, car, repair, etc. )

There are other expressions.
For example, say you have at home:
Bachili очі, scho kupuvali!
Or as they say in my town: Do you instead of eyes lamb eggs?

Antique business-business and this thing is hard.
The participants in this business must have the courage to admit their mistakes and not blame them uncle s Штатів not whine and do not shed tears for lost money two years ago.

[uriart]

That statement read, KS and give the impression that he represents the interests of the auction house Shapiro.
Rc! You must admit, we all become clear.
Well, people working in such a team, so what? Works a yes and let rabotaet.Nichego wrong with this.
Then we will be easier to handle claims.
Still, Russia is closer than America!

As for 28 days.
My personal opinion is that Shapiro is a special trick.
And I think so.
If Shapiro is on a par with such major auction houses like Christie's and Sotebis (and he wants to look like!) And let them take in its rules for filing claims
AT LEAST! - Two years.
I believe that the parties should have equal rights - and the seller and the buyer!
But it turns that Shapiro only protects their interests.
A buyer is still on his side. And he half, what will happen!
Money is received, and that's it!

Now the second!

Let Shapiro declares in its rules a list of experts whose views he considers fair.
Unfortunately, he finds only an objective opinion!
And this will have consequences - all wrong. There is no innocent!

Here Maroussia rightly suggests Shapiro.
Kohl goes here to let advertising and write all the answers to our questions.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Originally Posted by uriart

If Shapiro is on a par with such major auction houses like Christie's and Sotebis (and he wants to look like!) let them and accepts in its rules for filing claims
AT LEAST! - Two years.

Let Shapiro declares in its rules a list of experts whose views he considers fair.
Kohl goes here with advertising let and write all the answers to our questions.

Listen, you is a great specialist in the auction trade.
You would not give other tips on conducting their business, but most is time to open the auction house, is not limited to advice others.

[SAH]

Originally Posted by Tana

about the auctions, especially those that appear remarks were relatively recently, and especially Internet auctions, not too they are experiencing about the fact that exhibit, lowered his eyes to the fact that take, most importantly, sales.
And here the arguments about what "his own fault, where watched" I think simply indecent, imagine, if you do start talking to each corner (if you purchase an apartment, car, repair, etc.)

Purchase machinery, etc. never made and will not give the profits which makes the acquisition of art objects, compared with the purchase of rags, money for which you will return within two months after the purchase as it will agree not OK. Buying art saves you money and multiplies them sometimes dozens of times. This is a special product, by the way it is the main general line of the resource forum. Want to invest to save, multiply the money, go to where you buy, look carefully what you buy and all. Agree
Tana, that all to understand Auctioneer probably difficult. You can have it and not buy. Generally strange that this is being discussed around the auctions to feed a large number of people who are interested in his work, and as the same forgery is not an auctioneer as their paints ....

[uriart]

That does not agree with the SUN!
Aukts.dom is the same trading platform as a supermarket, only sell a few here not an ordinary commodity.
And that picture of a commodity like everything else that everyone understands.
And if you instead claimed Chagall sold Shagalovicha some, it is deception and fraud.
This is obviously misleading the buyer!
If the stated name means it must be the name!
And it is an axiom!
So it must be!
In the butcher shop where the owner will sell smelly meat to it no one else will.
They can only come and scatter smelly meat!

So why the auctioneer sells a misleading image?
It also guarantees the authenticity or guarantees?
He wrote in the advertisement that concluded that such universities or colleges of art. That is, confirms its competence in the matter which is engaged.
Let them be responsible for yourself!
Why should suffer buyer?
Because the buyer wanted to buy what a penny seller, and sold him a toadstool?
Is this normal?

[SAH]

Originally Posted by uriart

Why should suffer buyer?
Because the buyer wanted to buy what a penny seller, and sold him a toadstool?
Is this normal?

I am not competent in this matter, the question why he could not answer, but it happens. I have a plumber can not insert a valve in the sink while he sighs heavily at every opportunity (apparently adds a value), in short, I invited the other, and that all installed without any problems. That's life. I think that is the courts, you can go to court to file a complaint with the prosecutor's office and it may oblige a particular auction does not bring suffering to the buyer. As you are such an order: From the prosecutor P. oblige auction Christie did not deliver it to customers to customers suffering but rather to bring them joy and the maximum material and moral well-being. (Kidding )

[Кирилл Сызранский]

SAH, must still remember that most of the goods at auction acquiring a dealer for further work with these items: to hold on them additional attribution and restoration, "invent" provenance, in short, as Unas said, "podshamanit" continue to let him go, winding its so little%%.
Right? So.
And that something does not work with the obtaining of goods: in reality does not look so, market situation has changed, there were works of this author's other platforms, because once "Yaroslavna cry: I did not get accustomed profits, as well, before quietly multiplied by 2 and everything was happening, and now the "meat is not fresh" ... Return the money in the ass!
Well, cheers, Messrs. dealers its "righteous indignation" and "class hatred" to torgosham ...
Sami, do not forget who the? Those dealers, only in the shadows, under the nickname.
I just did not have to tell then that mayses about the "collectors", I know already all about the local "collectors" ...