Orthodox realism (or the ability to write, draw)

[NATA NOVA]

Very often, here and there emerges the question of the ability to write, draw.
This is especially true for artists of post-Soviet space, as the era of "forced realism" left a legacy of many artists, due SOVIET art education system able to draw.

The fall of the Iron Curtain "also coincided with widespread Internet and the information the artistic life of the world become available everywhere to everyone. Our (current) burst into the art of untrained mass consciousness ..

Why unprepared? Because outside of a totalitarian society in the world for decades, there were various creative methods of teaching the art of "visualization", aimed primarily at self-expression (variety) visual aids (if it is very brief).
The space in the Soviet period, this was not performed (I mean the official, formal education) and the occurrence (the mass of artists) in the contemporary artistic life can be compared as "from feudalism to socialism bypassing capitalism" - (this is for clarity.)

And it notes. ktoroy written before last (2008) in the summer, especially, to make a clear understanding of the terms "ability to draw (write)," realism "," realistic interpretation "...

Add, correct, but I personally do not intend to every time to spend time on personal explanation.

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Dear friends!
present to you my "note of realism," which (I hope) would clarify, because so many times here and there pops up this topic. (Illustration-later)

Arhikratkaya history of art of realism. June -2008, Lancashire
(NB! IN ANY reprint excerpts and citation link is required)

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Written and specially adapted for artnauvtsev to increase their understanding of contemporary visual art, after discussion of genius "by Lily", as well as additions after the other.
Raw (alla prima) notes that need clarification and additions. (Written before otpuskomi in one breath and ask you to forgive any inaccuracies, and strictly do not judge)

First of all:
High Art & Low Art "This separation (definition), I met with Nicholson in a book about pop dell'arte (Andy Uorhel) and which may give a clearer
understanding and some relief for those (including me) who was raised on classical realist tradition hudozhestvennyzh (how to draw, briefly speaking) ...
High Art "implies possession of pictorial means (ie school) to be produced.
All the unrealistic Western art after the Impressionists, "Low Art" (GJNicholson, ISBN 0 340846208 -)
Hence, the Russian-derivatives, which I use: "hayartist" and "lovartist.

IMPORTANT, QUESTION: What category (in the light vyshenapisannogo) include Matisse, Chagall, Picasso? (They could, but did not want)
How to categorize those who "wanted to, but could not? (Rousseau, Phirosmani)



In the old days (before 1893) when Repin vehemently at the exhibition of young avant-garde artists at the wrong approach to art: "This is the realm of free and easy mediocrity, anarchists in the painting ... especially have come to the heart of the new rules this legion Mazilu. Learn - no need; Anatomy - nonsense; image - outdated, calligraphy, make, copy - self-destruction, compose, find - old routine idiocy "... the artist is the one who got this title, after finishing the Academy of Arts. At the Academy, as a rule, began to learn very early (B12-14 years) and learned, as a rule, very long (10-20 years). As you can tell from the timing, training was based on the method of trial and error, the incredible volume of work that ultimately could not lead to satisfactory results (the law of transition from quantity to quality or, more simply: "if long time to suffer, to get something "... or as Paul would say Chistyakov (1832-1919):" Make time with a hundred, it will just ".)

Exclusion of Pavel Chistyakov, which is evident in his incredible abundance of outstanding students (List of students ******* ...)

The Academy of evolved rules that eventually bored student artists, and they took their own action-organized, independent society. In Russia, Society Wanderers, France, Society Barbizontsev.
Peredvizhniki move their independent exhibitions in the cities and villages, and Barbizontsy to sketch Barbizon in the forest ...
(Later experience Wanderers went on nasledsvu to Socialist Realism, and the experience Barizontsev smoothly flowed into Impressionism)
It should be noted that just in that time figured out how the paint stuff in a tube (1872) and has been developed to industrial production, because of what actually occurred and flourishing plenernoy Barbizon painting * and contributed to a massive passion for painting as a hobby ( so-called "artists of the day off").
Since then, the artist could have known anyone who could handle thin. materials or know how to use them.

In 1893 she held an exhibition, after which Repin was indignant: "(quote Repin:" This is the realm of free and easy mediocrity, anarchists in the painting ... especially have come to the heart of the new rules this legion Mazilu. Learn - no need; Anatomy - nonsense; image - obsolete calligraphy ; achieve, rewrite - self-destruction; link, look - the old routine idiocy »..). And so from this point the fun begins. Rebellion and rejection take imaginable and unimaginable forms. Art vibrant. There are unions (list), raspadyutsya Society (list).
As Russia emerges and blooms Constructivism, the thud revolution in the west of the Art Deco and Bauhaus ***

As in the west, and in Sov. Russia udozhestvennaya life was full of ideas, exploration and experimentation ... All these buhteniya ended almost at the same time: in the USSR, with the formation of the Creative Union (1932), in Hitler's Germany after the crackdown on "degenerate Exhibitions (193 ..)
. Setogo moment in the USSR, Germany and Italy began the era of totalitarian realism. " In the USSR it was called Socialist Realism (art method), and in Germany and Italy, and Neo (styles). Totalitarian art in these countries, in spite of "different" ideologies and isolation were surprisingly similar (virtually identical) and developed alike, with little difference in the treatment of naked bodies (Deutsch quite "free, bare-sisyami pisyami") and the housing problem (in the USSR had a problem and issue, respectively, was extremely rare).
After the defeat of fascism Totalitarian Realism continued to live irazvivatsya ONLY in the USSR. In the West realism firmly associated with fascism, and is therefore not surprising that the artists did not want to be involved.

Bloom pop, op, hup, assholes. .. And other "Arta". (One transfer will take a whole paragraph).
Bogeyman is an idea, philosophy, the association. Expressive sredsva thus may be, whatever. Main CONCEPT! Neither the material nor the manner of execution, nor kachesvo does not matter if it is expressed (achieved) kontseptkalnaya expressive! This can be both light and sound, and bubbles, and the shit and urine, and blood (even their own), and performens-(remember the recent performers Bast.-site)

Anything! Is called a "modern art" (however, the practice shows that the more (or more expensive, more successful society-something CONSUMPTION!-Example-Diamond skull D. Hirst and cast in solid gold horns and hooves ... Added: statue of gold in Nat. magnitude Kate Moss ..

Realism (a school) simply ceases to exist physically, for example, in the UK, it is not, he never taught, and .... nobody needs. (here in the UK, where I am now )*****..
Example-Ruppert Alex (WB), a brief biography is on his page that: "not found in college teaching of realism and being disappointed, he applied for a grant to study at the Royal Foundation for the Preservation of Crafts. He got it and learned a realistic portraiture in Florence (Italy). "(My translation ... ... .. (here quoted in eng. Orig)

It should be noted in passing on the main difference between Italian Realism of Soviet Realism ***. As I mentioned, after the war in the USSR (socialist) realism was the only possible means hudozhesvennogo expression, and if we discard all his political functions, it remains a school with a long tradition of education (training), with different methodologies, cultural heritage, and the general principles of the Legacy Hood. educated audience, able to talk about these principles (to have an opinion). This is evidenced by the fact of the existence of the site and the range of discussions on it.
It helps if you do not develop, then the conservation, keeping it (realism) existence.

Based on information available to me, the main difference between the Italian (and American) modern realism of our Soviet-or orthodox (temporary name) in that: the Western, if not rely on image-as vstomogatelny resource, then use the eye as a camera: I see something I write "P. .. Chistyakov: 'drawing eye-look at the ear ". Here lies the main difference between" Soetsko-Russian-Chistyakovskogo realism "of the modern Western (in practice: option photorealism)

In both cases, the trained eye it is easy to see in such detail: the typical distortion of perspective optics, based on the lens (if the work in photo), or proportional to the discrepancy (small, but obvious errors in the proportions, again, notable only for the trained eye realism) using the method of "I see" .. In the method of "I see" remains very little room for personal interpretation (yes indeed, this is not so that is required when the commercial custom portraits, which are mainly targeted and this kind of realism) Very nice illustrated my thought two beautiful portraits of the great books Gottfried Bammesa: "Portrait of a cook" and "Portrait of a worker." (Portrait of a chef-round as a pancake, a person who is very characteristic and delicately sculpted soft production volumes, and the person working as a cut-out sculpture Metellus )******
So, if these works were made by the "image" method, this "interpritatsionnogo" approach simply would not exist and artistic (aesthetic) their value would be much lower.

After the death of the Leader of the USSR (I.St.) in 1953. Khrushchev thaw comes short. This time, the appearance of realistiskih interpretations. Yablonskaya wrote his "May." (Or "Spring tocho not remember) takes place in Moscow" Bulldozer Exhibition "(it would be interesting to trace the artists' biographies, dessidentov) ... On the west bloom" Contemporary Art ", the consumer and the sexual revolution, and Other Freedom ... realism is nowhere taught training gypsum thrown in the trash as unnecessary )******* popular Dr. Spock, free education and the humanist pedagogy (impact: the rising generation of meaningless and ruthless vandals who do not know where that is taken as a growing ... Example: -24 girl (woman) does not know how to break an egg-Air "Air Force", Children in shkolene know how to look like vegetables whole (Jim Oliver school dinners revolution-"BBC" and of what makes chips) ** **

The Soviet education system remains true to the orthodox discipline and the traditional "basic" principles (to the west cultivated "creative"), in the Soviet Union there is a wide area network (the beautiful, affordable and prkticheski free) Art School (children's art school), art. Schools and the Art Academies. Nowhere in the world of realism is not taught so massively, systematically and consistently. (That we learned in the main: 1 .- "by a spear, and 2 .-" Number of transition in the quality "-is another story). -The West "Modern Art", which "the average man in the street" just does not understand, and Antonio Meneghetti calls "mostly-vampire and schizophrenic ....

After the death of another leader (L.Br.) after Perestroika Revolution, segregation, separation, hyperinflation, and absolutely not for fraternal division of national property., Begins the era in which we are located and for which I have no words. Have become available all the white spots in our unpredictable history (and art history). And many others ...
At Premer life and work of A. Deineka can see how the quest of youth ("Soccer") in accordance with the party line and "social order" degenerate into social realism: panorama "Oil on holiday" (but this too is another story)

"High Art & Low Art"
High Art "implies possession of pictorial means (ie school) to be produced.
 All the unrealistic Western art after the Impressionists, "Low Art" (GJNicholson6ISBN 0 340846208 - popular book on Pop Art)

From obyasnyalki 08.05.09: By Nicholson All artwork is divided into "high" and "low" (Hai-when needed (skills) from his knowledge, "Low"-when not needed)

So. that we are here calling the hyper-realism in the West, called simply "realism" ..

The entire western realism is unthinkable without vspomogatnlnyh reference materials (photos).

That is, if (mandatory) participation of the materials produced with the help of optics (the so-called "monocular realism"-as I called it. (And he's recognized as a genre, as realism)

Traditional realism so-called "Orthodox" (Russian-Chistyakova-Soviet) is performed by means of knowledge (skills). ; Ligament eye-brain-hand (where the human eye (binocular) - the necessary elements and on this basic difference, I called him a "binocular" realism ..

To copy and rasskrasit fundamental knowledge is not needed, so that, by logical reasoning, we conclude that the monocular realism is most likely to "LO" (It is worth noting that as I might I'll bet I can not question the "monokulistov" give me their "credo". (aesthetic need) srisovyvaniya (copy photos manually. No one with power to respond to the magic question: "Why?" (admittedly, received from the Chernoff response, which can be briefly translated as: "For the pleasure of the process" (Denis, straighten!)

The main difference related to monorealizmu artists with izoshkoloy (former Soviet Union) and western (practically non-binding) that Western did not hide and are not ashamed (Che shame if all of these?) And artists from izoshkoloy seems intuitively that somehow they are "in another section (at a different stage) .... And it is exerting every effort to disguise and evade a direct answer ...

It is also worth noting that srisovyvanie causes dependence: what is happening in the perception of three-dimensional human eyes, because the image is flat, as it were "processed", adapted, and here destvuyut other laws that differ from the perception of three-dimensional space.

And just so eye for years trained to perceive and zobrazhat three-dimensional space, showing all the differences between monocular and binocular perspective (and to avoid that the adherents of "Western" method is not possible (yes, they are trying to wilt and do not mind) And it can be seen from the first cursory glance. .

(To be continued)
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I will be grateful for constructivism
                                                                       NATA NOVA

Posted 20 minutes
K. Syzranskiy already sopostyvlyal two portrait painted Deineka (in the first theme of the exhibition Deineka, which illustrates what I call "variations, together with the party line" ..
(The time it was incredibly cruel, and these two portraits of different time one person absolutely ruthless show what can be done with the consciousness (subconscious) surrounding it (consciousness) being ..)
In the subject of a remarkable artist Deineko very clearly emerges "is the influence of" socialist realism, which does not stand glare bright personality and these "strange" work may have been a defensive reaction?

[Peter]

The chain, intuitive experience (heart), brain (a compilation of experiences and transforming them into a personal system), hand-canvas narushaetsya.Zhivopisnost and artistry are no longer the main criteria for assessing the quality of zhivopisi.Takim form the basis of today's painting is in the best case, the existence of formal ideas . The best compliment a painting can be expressed in one word "cool." I wonder what processes that caused this transformation? "Maybe in the world of today's total of individualism, where every man for himself, lost feeling soperezhivaniya.A precisely this feeling can admire the picture is written from the heart to empathize them.

[NATA NOVA]

Peter, I was very close to the words of art critic Catherine Tar in an interview (quoted above) that in modern art does not exist.
Look-read (interesting!)

For comparison:


Shl saw your post number 3 (this is probably the reverse translation from the English version. Where I adjusted)

But as he dolzhenbyt: I am very close to saying art critic Catherine tar in one of her interviews about that in today's world painting ceased to exist.
Look Honour (interesting!)
(Try to quote E. Tar literally as soon as possible)

[Маруся]

A very strange title theme.
For maximum "realistic" Renaissance artists sought more. Do not Leonardo first began dissecting corpses to understand how the human anatomy is arranged - to maximize the "realistic" it show?
Then what are ortodoksalnst? In the sense of Russianness?
You please somehow decide you want to put the issue of Russian artists or Socialist realism? Or the contemporary Russian artists?
"Draw" could or could not all in different ways: Kandinsky, Malevich, for example, could not quite - academic drawing - this is not about them. But this did not prevent them from becoming great artists.
On the other hand - a huge mass of Socialist realism, the owner of a brilliant academic drawing techniques, but is so impersonal that it is impossible to distinguish one from another.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Maroussia

Then what are ortodoksalnst? Do you mean "Russian character"?

Orthodoxy means: "sure foundation"
Obviously, preventing firmly rooted in the domestic mass consciousness associations the word "orthodox" with religion.
Spravtes themselves in the dictionary (for interest)

Сообщение от Maroussia

You put the question of Russian artists or Socialist realism? Or the contemporary Russian artists?

Сообщение от Marusya

"draw" could or could not, all in different ways:

Сообщение от Maroussia

On the other hand - a huge mass of Socialist realism - brilliantly holding academic drawing techniques - but impersonal so that it is impossible to distinguish one from another (with rare exceptions).

 

Maroussia, thanks for the note. All right! Too many different realizmovi be out as a feature.

Not having to get a clear and precise terminology of the school of fine crafts in pintsipe now faces rudiment.
I focus here exclusively on the notion of ability to write, draw, realism, and realistic interpretations.
About the "great" and "hurry" (any kind) is no sideways and even we are not talking and not even mention.
Apparently, we must once again obratotat (adapted) text, that all too clear there.

Shl saw your post number 3 (this is probably the reverse translation from the English version. Where I adjusted)

But as he dolzhenbyt: I am very close to saying art critic Catherine tar in one of her interviews about that in today's world painting ceased to exist.
(Try to quote verbatim as soon as possible)

[Маруся]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Apparently, we must once again obratotat (adapted) text, that all too clear there.

Good luck!

[KaterinaMN]

NATA NOVA,
I completely agree with what you write here.
I do not like and I do not understand something, when denial of the foundations of painting, drawing is for the sake of denial. When ignorance - flaunt. I'm not very fond of that aspect of contemporary art, when evaluated by the concept, but the work itself is useless artifact. Anyway - contemporary art and painting - are two big differences.
But this is true, as remarked Maroussia: "Draw" could or could not, all in different ways: Kandinsky, Malevich, for example, could not "draw" academic drawing. But this did not prevent them from becoming great artists. On the other hand, - huge mass of Socialist realism - brilliantly holding techniques of academic drawing - but faceless so that it is impossible to distinguish one from another (with rare exceptions). "

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Сообщение от Maroussia

possess excellent academic drawing techniques - but impersonal so that it is impossible to distinguish one from another

Course. It is impossible to distinguish from Lomykina Lopukhova or Stozharau from Gritsaya. And much of Nyssa Mylnikova well or how not to be distinguished. Examples! I did not understand. Who you can not discern?

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от KaterinaMN

On the other hand - a huge mass of Socialist realism - brilliantly holding academic drawing techniques - but impersonal so that it is impossible to distinguish one from another (with rare exceptions). "

I began to think that the main cause of "faceless" (as a very precise representation of Maroussia) was a survival instinct, at the terrifying totalitarian times, when any sign of individuality could be (and was) fatal consequences. (Will there be a drab and faceless during hruschovskoy "thaw"? Let's search!)

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Well, of course. It is impossible to distinguish from Lomykina Lopukhova or Stozharau from Gritsaya. And much of Nyssa Mylnikova well or how not to be distinguished. Examples! I did not understand. Who you can not discern?

I perfectly understand that there has since Maroussia (it just proves once again that visual arguments are often simply essential that)

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that the main cause of "faceless"

NATA NOVA, faceless the artist who is faceless. One can cite as an example 100 faceless Socialist realism, but also can show 100 faceless avant-garde. And this direction?