Art auctions - a measure of artistic talent?

[artcol]

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzran

And how could masterpieces of Russian art bought at Western auctions for many millions , and returned to his homeland " to bend under the pressure of money" ?
Explain it here , for example.
How?

Posted 4 minutes

Only these " raretety " and will be interested in the future.


And I'm sure.
All the technological advances of mankind eventually taken for granted banal things , habitual , routine , and the masterpieces and are masterpieces.
The test of time .

I do not know . All artefacts now strongly tied to the status and the status is determined by the number of CMV money or the equivalent thereof. But the picture of a specific thing inherent in human civilization. To change the format of civilization - and the other will be a criterion of status. And there are pictures of Mr. smolder in the attic , as has been repeatedly .

[Peter]

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzran

And you about a plot against the realistic painting, perhaps?
 
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No, it is much broader, "reality-painting" >

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Originally Posted by artcol

to change the format of civilization - and the other will be a criterion of status.
And there are pictures of Mr. smolder in the attic, as has been repeatedly.

is not without reason .. In times of war and katastorf it already was.

[DimaB]

Originally Posted by will

hit of the auction, still depends on a subjective tastes and interests of the organizers of the auction ...
At the expense of getting to the museum ( say about our museums ), they are the same (artists) give their work , well, now there is no money in museums, and must somehow increase their funds . While under an hour you know, in fig, such garbage will be stored in a museum ?

Of course , the tastes of the organizers of auctions is extremely subjective. It is important , as I put it - the number of subjective opinions. Which in fact confirmed by its material cost of these same subjects. And what about museums , you will, so accurately put it - better not say.

[Lorart]

By the way, here is the link to the recording of the program itself


http://www.tvkultura.ru/issue.html?id=114643

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a discussion unfolded ! Before the conspiracy came !
oh you would be there - on the program. Alas, there was not much interest " advocates " a more intuitive and "right - educated " opinion that, say , even about the money and indecent talk , when we are talking about art . and more complicated at first glance does is unacceptable to the " normal- decent" people, especially from the art world , that the auction at the moment, Alas, the only more or less valid measure of talent. (Some ran on the move to a more " light" point of view , but originally came from a different "position" ). Director , of course, asked all to keep strictly one point of view , and to initiate conflict , although all participants were pros and cons of beginning. The result - as you already know, except for the "museum " nobody has been able to bring not a single argument . Here , the real and active pro, appeared in all the discussion - one criterion - the exposure history ...

[Артём]

Originally Posted by Lorart; 1849181"

As a result - as you already know, except for the "museum " no one was able to lead, not a single argument .

I noticed that a lot of talking about the talents that were not included in the auction for one reason or another , but no one said about inflated prices , ostensibly , the masterpieces of world art, Picasso, for example , why 104mln . , Not 4 million . That is, across the auction price no one goes , all tremble. Hence - the auction criteria !

[ВОля]

DimaB
You know, I expressed my point of view, because I am a former employee of the museum, and the entire back of the Pts. I know well mean our museums. On the capital can not say anything, because, of course, I do not know.

Originally Posted by mihailovoh

Will,
Transmission is really interesting and totally agree with the thesis-
"But agreed that the presence of the artist's works in the museum an important measure of his talent."
And if the artist is represented in the main exhibition of the leading museums, one of the main characters' measure of talent. "
1 museums have something to compare zritelyu.ne cheat
Two museum workers exposed to low for today's conjuncture vremeni.dlya their art is eternal and priceless.
3 Employees of museums the most experienced professionals. it is to them we turn for advice and expertise.
Would have added another clear sign, participation in exhibitions leading muzeev.a to whom there is not because of TG priglashayut.imeyu Pushkin Russian ....
A "Art Auctions - a measure of artistic talent? -" Measure of value or as not vlozheniy.no talent.

1 You are right, but if we take into account the fact that the representation in the permanent exhibition, and as for most of the funds (which are very good. Often put up for public display). But there are already museum pieces, which I described as falling into the museum, which will never be pakazany and will lie dormant. You can not see and know all the museum, and that it's there to say that all that there is real art!
2 On account of the second paragraph, agree with you partly. In principle, yes for us, art is eternal and priceless, but it is to talk about art, which has already become a classic. There is no view of all modern art and contemporary artists. They are very good. carefully, sometimes biased, because it (art), and artists must pass the test of time. So it affects all the same trends of museum workers of modern times, they only refer to it very good. cold, and sometimes negatively.
3. Here everything is clear. Here one can not argue. However, I remember being told that our director, about the modern artilerov antikvarschikov and that there are still some who are much more experienced museum staff themselves. Why, yes because the museum staff have the knowledge, experience, of course, but "sit" them at their base, and its very good. well know. But let's not forget how many passes through the hands of those who engage in antiques (all compiled), and sometimes things like "Twist" in such circles, which would be envious of museums and sometimes visual memory, up to "touch" the same experience and knowledge that are useful and do not concede to the museum knowledge.
Regarding your recent statements, here is the absolute truth.

[artcol]

Originally Posted by Lorart

another test - exposure history ...

These criteria - greater than 10. However - the price, this is an integral indicator , the other is difficult to come up with . About this many times including and discussed on the forum . Another thing is that price , though , and dancing talents of the artist - this potential , the value of the conditional , but how to implement it on the market in real money - is a talent seller.

[Seriy]

Will, Lenin 's library collects absolutely ALL printed materials published in Russia , Printing must send one copy to Leninka . Museum collections , to some extent , should do the same , collect the whole range of contemporary fine arts . And keep in silence. So were the collections of local museums paintings of Russian avant - center them sent out in revolutionary times just in the funds , where they lived quietly until the time when steel demand. Definition - that is worthy of the museum, there is no need to leave - time. I, of course , oversimplifying , curators and art historians are needed , without them all.
 Another thing is that funds nerezinovye .. and those who hinder sell paintings from museums, which are not needed ? I have never heard that the Russian Tretyakov or announces the sale of surpluses. But the Chicago Art Institute even Picasso Khoi- sold some of its recent - not needed .

[Konstantin]

Originally Posted by Seriy; 1849341"

I have never heard that the Russian Tretyakov or announces the sale of surplus .

Then just touch . There is a danger that in the first place is not something that will sell too much, and the fact that the most valuable of personal gain of course .
Ideally, the idea is correct, and relieve the museums and they will have money for repairs and so on. And the pictures in the trade will , and the deficit begins to be felt very keenly . But . The danger that everything will be done exactly the opposite ( bad pictures remain the people , and good will go to the private collection), trumps all .

[ВОля]

Seriy, and so I also wrote that she must pass the test of time such work . Yes , I agree with you when it comes to such replenishment stalichnyh museums. A local museum, preserved local artists mean about the present time, when daryatsya work to increase the collection), but that may of interest to the local history of art. Well, on the sale of assets .... you turned down ! Or other museum in the Russian laws? We left the old harsh law of the indivisibility and non-transfer of museum pieces elsewhere. ie, what goes into the museum (now daritsya ) describes infest kartoki research , references , and all relevant documents , this work is part of the museum's collection ! Well, that's the Chicago Art Institute, let and sell work. And we

Originally Posted by Seriy

- collect the whole range of contemporary fine arts . And keep in silence.

Because once again, time will tell and put everything into place!