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Old 09-12-2010, 12:18 Original language: Russian        #41
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Nikolos78, This has already been Yura wrote .. the same thing.
(A year ago, read this topic)



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Nikolos78, lit is not your first!
Ever since the 2003-05's already bred people.
Under different Prelog.
Who because of his greed caught, who out of stupidity.
And who, because of too much credulity to lend money, and took such artistry ka collateral.
Ways to extract money weight!
And these "craftsmen" to say able to manipulate people.



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Old 09-12-2010, 14:31 Original language: Russian        #43
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Nikolos78, have already written about this
No words! I could not think, that this infamy assumed such gigantic proportions. And it is really subtle psychological approach: on the one hand, the use of human sympathy, a desire to help the neighbor, but on the other - have a fairly low-lying, but the secret feelings (help, but that is not disinterested as: painting a good cheap to get).



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No, the circuit is tuned as to put the buyer zalipuhi in an awkward position: the type would use a simple and got caught. To ashamed to lift a scandal no one, and sat himself quietly. The same technique used by sellers of cheap imitations at the auctions. Catch those who carried out the cheapness. Zvereva for $ 300 or buy som 3000. Understood the nature of the trick.



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scheme is tuned as to put the buyer zalipuhi embarrassing

Well, yes, and it, too.
Very well thought-out maneuver.



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Another thing is that then these zalipuhi fall on the secondary market, changing the several owners and eventually be affected in good faith, but careless people.



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Let me be the first person who is not ashamed of the shame, recognizes that I am divorced
This is not no shame ... do not mistake the one who does not do anything ..



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Old 09-12-2010, 23:13 Original language: Russian        #48
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So, what does this group of scammers, a crime ..
Very controversial. Is it cheating? They sell real canvas, rather than air.
Maybe about authorship, they do not say anything - that is, they say, himself look, they say it is expensive. They're phony expert opinions do not apply, it is "Kravchenko," and "Klyun" is not assured.
I think it would be difficult to prove intent. And who impute a fraud? Artist? He would say - have ordered, I painted ...



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And these" craftsmen "to say able to manipulate people.
Such craftsmen dime a dozen, from Roma at the train station and ending ....
prelyudno not want even to speak, to disclose those positions and ranks



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And who impute a fraud? Artist? He would say - have booked, I drew ...
Cyril, you think there is no factual basis for fraud?
Ok, not an artist, but someone made this dirty scheme, enveloped in a network is already half of Europe, and someone has it performed? (Like this already in the past tense )

Then those who line up the pyramid - there are people carrying money themselves, voluntarily, all still standing - just childishly pure and innocent?

Understand, of course, the lawyers, but I think there plenty of material facts to substantiate the fraud. At such a scale.



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