Printed schedule of the old masters without attributsii. Are there any ideas?

[ledandy]

Hello and thanks in advance ! There has accumulated a certain number of prints that look good, but the hands are not given.
Maybe have some ideas ?
I have some , but little more lead .
A . Aquatint beginning or middle of the 18th century , apparently. Pastoral idyll. Francesco is a bit like London, but he did not.
Two . Etching . Military scene. The city surrenders. Mid to late 17th century. Again, like on the one hand , the French like Abraham Bosse , on the other Dutch type Romaine de Hoog . I even thought it Hoog , but it is much more static .
Three . Then all caulking . Engraving on copper. Late Baroque . What else ?
4. Again plugging . Two miniatures on old laid paper . Plots are clear: the abduction of Europa and Ganymede . But then I do not even understand what this technique, reproducing the effect of the pen. Aquatint , too ?
Dear experts , help ? Thank you so much !

[Amateur]

Your second engraving - one of the illustrations from the book "Martelaerspiegel", published in 1685 in Amsterdam. The author of these illustrations - Dutch artist Jan Luik (Jan Luiken, 1649 - 1712) . Reproductions of 104 illustrations for this book , visit :
http://www.bethelks.edu/mla/holdings...martyrsmirror/
including your engraving (from page 327 of Volume 2 ) , depicting the beheading of von Otterhayma in Cologne in 1560

[ledandy]

And, so did the Netherlands!
Thank you so much!
Luik, I had an engraving (actually, the frontispiece), a book about the three human children.
Once again - a huge thank you!
Do you have a case nametok of the other three?

[redbor]

Originally Posted by ledandy

3.
Then all caulking.
Engraving on copper.
Late Baroque.
What else?

Still - it rests on a Hercules killed his lion

[Дед Мороз]

A body of a lion as a python?
<! - 6 ~ ~ ->

[redbor]

This is not a body of Nemean lion and the tail Lernaean hydra.

Hercules even had a friend of children and animals,

he had there, like, a "living area".

By the way, in his hand he holds a golden apple Gespirida.
 
Just do not understand: whose leg up there, hanging out?

[ledandy]

Originally Posted by redbor

This is not a body of Nemean lion and the tail Lernaean hydra .
Hercules even had a friend of children and animals,
he had there , like, a "living area ".
By the way, in his hand he holds a golden apple Gespirida .
 Just do not understand : whose leg up there , hanging out ?

Yeah, right ! For Hercules , and says that he relies on the bat . I'm confused baby. but, apparently , is his son Telephus . That looks like about the iconography of Greek sculpture from the Louvre . Bravo!
As for the legs , it is obvious that this engraving is based on some plafond with a list . Leg cut off from the figures above - this is , in general, had happened. But there are two amazing things. A white spot in the top right corner - this is not breaking , and paint the edge of a blank . Perhaps it is not preserved in imitation of the original fragment debris . No less puzzling , and the dotted line on the right, separating , apparently, one set from another. But the main thing - I do not understand time. And the school. Clearly, this is not before 1650 . Rather, the very end of the 17th century to about 1730.

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[QUOTE=Guriev , Igor ; 2108401 ] Are you sure that this engraving ?
The impression is that this mascara.

Yes, and painted obscenities , game were not worth the candle , so to speak .
But apparently, the 18th century .

I do not know the effect of mascara , but it 's more like aquatint . Undoubtedly the 18th . Indeed, some clumsily executed . But ineptitude , too, was part of the style . Just at the end of the 18th - in sentimentalism .

[Игорь Гурьев]

Originally Posted by ledandy; 2108871"

eloe spot in the top right corner - it does not break , and paint the edge of a blank . Perhaps it is not preserved in imitation of the original fragment debris .

In-in .
In my mind , too, flashed the same idea that is srisovka momumentalnoy with some painting, but did not verbalize this idea .
And you have confirmed it .

[Amateur]

On your first engraving shows a less pastoral , as the biblical scene - a meeting of Jacob and Rachel (see attachment ). "When Jacob saw Rachel the daughter of Laban his mother's brother , and the sheep of Laban his mother's brother , then came Jacob rolled away the stone from the mouth of the well and watered the flock of Laban his mother's brother ."

However, the author of your prints a descent could not be determined . I think that if your aquatint indeed the XVIII century, it is likely she Reproduction . Look for patterns among the well-known in XVII - XVIII centuries. Artists on this subject (which , incidentally, quite a lot ). Perhaps such an indirect way , and you go out to the author's prints. I like that succeed.

[ledandy]

In fact - I had a suspicion that in pastoral costumes played a mythological or biblical scene. Wow! We must train in the attribution of the plot, of course ... Once again, thank you very much ! Search technique is clear , I also enjoyed it . However , not looking through the painting, and has directly through reproduction. engraving. And what about the fourth miniature ? I , in fact , I can not say with certainty , drawing , or print it . Based on the reverse side , more like a seal still ...