Do we need and whether a Western-style auction in Russia

[anik]

In the next topic of discussion arose about the artists that auctions can be, if not a panacea , that some means of exit from that , quite frankly, APB condition in which there were professional artists after the collapse of the Union .

It seems that this promise is worth discussing .

So, what is a public sale ? This - agency activities. For it to be marketable , profitable requires two conditions : the independent and effective demand an independent offer things for this demand.

Is there any effective demand for artistic production in contemporary Russia ?

How can he be in a country where the gross domestic product (GDP ) per capita is variously estimated between Croatia and Malaysia, or between Latvia and Antigua and Barbuda.
In addition, this figure ( 17,700 dollars.) Does not reflect the structure of income . It is known that less than 0.5 %of Russia's population has more than 60 %of its wealth.

In Russia , in contrast to its neighbors to the west there was no tradition to decorate your life with original works of art. Did not have that in the Soviet Union .

The potential effective demand for mediation in the form of auctions negligible.

It is the same with an independent supply of things. Artifacts of time-tested , having the eyes of potential buyers of great value little by our nation's history , and offers current producers of artistic production is not profitable in the framework of public sales.

Generally mechanically transfer the experience of other countries on our soil unproductive business and even harmful . Not grow palm trees in our forests , and pineapple fields .
It is absurd to put to us in the auction business experience in France. The legacy of the material culture of Russia and France is not comparable . The number of millionaires France ranks first in Europe, if memory serves them there for more than two million.


We do not have yet the prerequisites for this kind of mediation . What, exactly, can be seen on the national practice . So far our auctions or imitation , or a parody of the Western .

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Originally Posted by anik

In Russia, in contrast to its neighbors to the west there was no tradition to decorate your life with original works of art.
Did not have that in the Soviet Union.

But artists are taught every year institutions in the country has thousands of "artists" out of their doors.

[K-Maler]

Originally Posted by anik; 2826331 "

In Russia , in contrast to its neighbors to the west there was no tradition to decorate your life with original works of art. Did not have that in the Soviet Union .

This tradition has been . Carpets, paintings , decorative art , reproductions ...
Paintings that were sold in the " shop of artists" find buyers ...
Here in this discussion is not addressed an important aspect of modern problems - topics offered paintings. The success of a certain topic depends on the context , the picture is the dialogue , it is not just hanging on the wall , someone felt the need that it depicts . In the " acute " cases, it may be a reproduction , it is normal and the value of reproduction may dismiss only snobs ...
Artists , for example , quietly hang prints on the wall ... know why ...
In Soviet times, a lot of reproductions were published and they were bought , they sold for a penny ...
At the beginning of perestroika, when prices were still quite "Soviet" many bought already in the galleries , painting, missing funds and the deal was, all exhibited ... And it is not collected by the collection and not for resale ...
But as for subjects ... Landscape , portrait , still life , and much less narrative painting from an exhibition or workshop ...
And the people easier and now happy and buys in a store, and in the ranks of the fair , and on the street, it even surprised ... Moreover, from different segments of the population are more and more willing to learn to draw ... Private schools , private lessons , master classes , vocational classes and other fans gather and vegetate ... This means increasing demand ...
As for the sales, gallery owners and art context , the dominance of the profane in fact inhibits the market more than it seems at first glance.
Where do they sell , how to sell and, in general , whether they want to sell, or something else to deal with these points ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Originally Posted by K-Maler; 2826531 "

This tradition was .

Are you a "tradition" you know?
Tradition ( custom ) - a lot of ideas , rituals , habits and skills of practical and social activities, transmitted from generation to generation , projecting one of the regulators of public relations.
There was a Soviet tradition of decorating the interiors of houses works of art , human anik.
And the interior was not - half the country in communal living . And now, for example , in St. Petersburg in your communal 105,000 live about 660 000 people, it is " municipal capital " is not even the Russian Federation and the CIS.

Do not you , K-Maler, can continue to tell us how a 50 -80- ies of the family happy Soviet factory workers all the staff went to art galleries to choose pictures for the bedroom mother-father , grandmother to the room and for children .
Yeah ... Come on, tell me . <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

[Магнолия]

Originally Posted by anik; 2826331 "

We do not have yet the prerequisites for this kind of mediation . What, exactly, can be seen on the national practice . So far our auctions or imitation , or a parody of the Western .

Announcement sale " auction " dramatically increases the tax deductions . As a consequence, there was a form of "hidden auction " when the exhibitions formed a list of potential buyers.

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by anik

So, what is a public sale?

The public sale is the legal establishment of stable prices resulting in an aftermarket.

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Originally Posted by anik

In Russia, in contrast to its neighbors to the west there was no tradition to decorate your life with original works of art.
Did not have that in the Soviet Union.

Read 12 chairs.
Classics need to know.

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Originally Posted by anik; 2826331 "

The potential effective demand for mediation in the form of auctions negligible.

It is the same with an independent supply of things. Artifacts of time-tested , having the eyes of potential buyers of great value little by our nation's history , and offers current producers of artistic production is not profitable in the framework of public sales .

Where is the demand ? Will be stable prices and supply and demand, and that now is not able to be sold , thrown in the trash, as in France will be bought and sold. You do realize you are talking about . What does the number of millionaires , it is for the COP.
I advise you to first study the experience of the auction at the Drouot auction and then we'll talk . About the mediation is to COP. Auction item is independent of intermediaries.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Originally Posted by Pavel

will be like in France bought and sold.

Yes, yes, yes, " and Mars will grow apple trees ".
<! - ~ 7 ~ ->

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by anik; 2826331 "

In Russia , in contrast to its neighbors to the west there was no tradition to decorate your life with original works of art. Did not have that in the Soviet Union .

 In Western countries , too, there is no such tradition. Artwork is not for decoration , it's for prestige, at the same time it is investment. It's not the beauty of the picture, and its value and popularity of the author. In ordinary families is still hope to get rich on " Rembrandt " . It was a conflict with bourgeois tastes led to the emergence of Impressionism at first , and then the modern art. What is there the tradition of decorating . Decorating is in you, says the Soviet education .

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Originally Posted by Magnolia ; 2826561 "

Announcement sale " auction " dramatically increases the tax deductions . As a consequence, there was a form of "hidden auction " when the exhibitions formed a list of potential buyers.

These idiots can not understand their state benefits. For them, if no roof and no garden and it is not interesting.

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky

Yes, and interiors-that there were not any - half the country in communal living.
And now, for example, in St. Petersburg in your communal 105,000 live about 660 000 people,

And in the center of Leningrad.
You are our whistleblower.

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Originally Posted by anik; 2826331 "

Do I need and whether AUCTIONS artistic production in the Western style in a modern

Auctions happen or not happen, but the style is that? In China, the auctions on what manner ? And the most expensive 500 - Chinese . The Chinese have a tradition of decorating ... ? Do not you think that you breccia stupidity ?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Originally Posted by Pavel; 2826691 "

In China, the auctions on what manner ?

 The manner of the most popular in China, art auctions Beijing Poly International Auction Company is Western .
But in fact , the main trade in Chinese art is held in Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan, where just Sotheby's and Christie's in motion is the scope of auction sales of works of art on the market .

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky

and we still do not have any of the Museum of Modern Art.

And we have a modern and no such art.
Diletanstvo one and carbon paper with Egyptian frescoes.

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky ; 2826801 "

The manner of the most popular in China, art auctions Beijing Poly International Auction Company is Western .
But in fact , the main trade in Chinese art is held in Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan, where just Sotheby's and Christie's in motion is the scope of auction sales of works of art on the market .

Auctions are not on cheyto manners. This trading system , a way to sell , and only the French system we just my own, I mean Russian . On the other hand it is a way to fight fraud .