Alfred Koch was in a criminal case because the picture - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Artem · 14-04-2014, 16:30

Alfred Koch was in a criminal case because the picture

BFM.ru able to learn details of the case . According to experts, investigators now have to prove that the businessman knew the value of web

Authors: Maria Lokotetskaya In category Persons

Learned the details of the criminal case of former chairman of the State Property Committee and businessman Alfred Koch suspected of smuggling. According to his friends, law enforcement claims associated with the picture , which the ex- officer tried to export to Germany. However, they argue that the web is not a cultural value .

As told an acquaintance BFM.ru Koch , talking about the picture cost 18 thousand rubles . " It was the sum of its rated Alfred Reingoldovich and declare ," - he says. According to him, Koch wanted to take a picture in Germany, where he now lives most of the time , but customs officials suspected that this is a rare " work of art" .
Sam Koch, who is an active blogger , April 8 reported cases opened against him on his page on Facebook.
" Congratulate me ! Homeland appreciated my work ! Just when I left for Germany, against me in Russia opened a criminal case . Charged under article ( you will laugh ) - smuggling ( thanks though not pedophilia ) , "- wrote Koch.

According to him, the case is investigated by the FSB investigation team consisting of 15 people who had already raided the apartment of his wife. " Broke into an apartment at seven in the morning ... we all love ! " - Resents Koch.
"Here they Bulk thief and Serdyukov - no! "
Entrepreneur reports that he now - " not entrance " and resents a selective approach of law enforcement , "Here they Bulk thief and Serdyukov - no! And I take it higher - smuggler ! Cool. There is an element of romance. Right Lermontov, "Taman" ... " - ironically the former politician.
Koch recalled that within three days of his Facebook account has been blocked , and the social network administrator admitted that it happened after the ex- politician put "post about Putin ."
In the public relations center of the FSB failed to promptly respond to the request BFM.ru about the investigation .
And friends and acquaintances of the former Deputy Prime Minister of Russia ( 1997 ) attribute the appearance of Alfred Koch trouble due to his criticism of the current government .

"Travel for a long tongue "

"So , he actively writes about the whole story with the Crimea in their Facebook for several months. I think that the criminal case - is hitting for a long tongue . Well painting for 18,000 rubles, this is just ridiculous ! This is nothing , "- said the politician Vladimir Ryzhkov . At the same time , he said , " it is difficult to predict what could end this story ."
According to the president of the public movement " Union of Right Forces " Gozman , the picture has become the subject of a criminal case presents no cultural value. "More I can not comment on this issue , as is the information I was given in a personal conversation ," - he said.

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Gozman does not believe that belonging to Koch canvas could take over the work of the famous author . " I do not believe such errors because the examination was then . I think it's deliberate actions , - he said. - As I have long been familiar with Alfred Reingoldovich , I never believe in what he is smuggling . For me it is obvious that the whole thing is that his texts on the network and political position displeases leadership ( of the country) . He took the position that is simply not enough sharp, but also very talented and very bright . "
Currently Russian Criminal Code provides for liability for smuggling poisons , weapons, explosives , as well as cultural values or valuable wildlife ( st.226.1 CC). It provides for punishment for a term of 3 to 7 years with a fine of up to one million rubles or without it.
And we are talking only about the cultural values , the value of which exceeds 100 thousand rubles. Therefore, it is not clear how this article can be applied to the case with Alfred Koch .

On the cultural values and intent

[ According to the lawyer and consultant on the art market Nikita Semenov before initiate a criminal case , investigators must conduct a study or examination to prove that is the removal of objects of cultural value. In addition, the detectives must be established that the person acted intentionally.
He believes that in such a situation may be a question of one of the two articles of the Criminal Code : or smuggling of cultural property ( st.226.1 CC) or an " evasion of customs duties (Article 194 CC - by a fine of up to 100 thousand 500 thousand rubles to 2 years ' imprisonment - BFM.ru).

The latter applies when it comes to evading payment of not less than 1 million rubles . " Anything less - is an administrative offense ," - said the expert.
As for the smuggling of cultural property (Article 226.1 of the Criminal Code ) , it is associated with a false declaration object of art . It is worth noting that before impute Koch article detectives and expertise necessary to prove that the export of art objects of cultural value . "For example , the examination determines that the picture or icon was written more than 100 years ago, a man wrote in the customs declaration , it is more modern subjects " - an example Semenov . He said that the export of the subject of art than a hundred years must be authorized by the Ministry of Culture . Office may also prohibit the export of a work of art , created over 50 years ago , because there is a list of items of value and not to be exported .

According to the specialist , in order to impute the article 226.1 of the Criminal Code , the investigators will also need to prove that the person acted intentionally. "Often , buying some thing for a few thousand on the market, the person does not feel that this is some cultural value , and if his actions do not intent. And when he bought the painting with the conclusion that it Briullov and declare as canvas painting by an unknown artist , in this case we can say that he was intent on smuggling, but it must be proved . After all, if the person carrying the picture is not an expert in the field of culture , it can honestly be mistaken about the properties of the object and think that it is not a cultural value . In this case, it is not subject to criminal liability ", - concluded the lawyer.

Apparently, once the investigators decided on filing a case , they have already spent an expert study . Now the question remains : if they can prove that the actions of Koch was intent ?

Гриф · 14-04-2014, 16:46

Well painting for 18,000 rubles, this is just ridiculous ! This is nothing , "- said the politician Vladimir Ryzhkov .

  As a man for stealing a chicken - for three years , that's fine , but here 18,000 rubles - is ridiculous .
  Well, well ...

PS "There was a man , and there will always be oil painting " (c)

Pictures do not appear out of nowhere. Rocked dealers. It turns out that not paid Koch 18 tu 18 td. There line up all of those who are in soznanku : This I sold ! <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
  And then he took a picture to give $ 600 ... "It's about nothing" - funny. Beggar , actually ...

тата · 14-04-2014, 17:25

Like once, a long queue had the familiar sad dealers with lean persons walking in "soznanku."
<! - ~ 7 ~ -> fun.

khmelev · 14-04-2014, 18:16

everything must always be declared in writing. Socks, underwear , a toothbrush , a handkerchief, a picture ... And all have checks. That's what I 'm doing . Now that the custom sees me from afar, predpochitae6t somewhere to hide. But I still go through the red channel and require inspection. If it do most of the passengers , they all blown away with their demands . And yet - after each pass borders necessarily a complaint. They owe it to give a reasoned reply within one month. If the day will come with a dozen complaints , the work of the office will be fully dezorgnizovana .

тата · 14-04-2014, 19:24

Not all heirs have cash registers.
Some general price point fear even in the receipt.
Why disrupt unless mess better, do in the service is always a reason for complaint.

Гриф · 14-04-2014, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by khmelev

And yet - after each pass through the border necessarily a complaint.
.

So you can get into the "black list".
And once upon arrival in the Schengen area there suddenly will find something extra baggage.
Well, the cartridge caliber 9 mm, for example.
And deprive visa ...

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Originally Posted by acetate

Why disrupt unless mess better,.

"The worse, the better" (Vilenina)

uriart · 14-04-2014, 20:43

When something 10-12 years ago to our shop KGBshnik came and brought a couple of icons. Asked them to evaluate .
I said that this price for a couple of icons 50-80 hryvnia . He was terribly unhappy and surprised by my words . Say icons are at least 1 million USD , and I told him about what there UAH .
Then he started me on the other hand , they say , and you can not write me a valuation report by 1 million ? I said that I can not write what is not really. Very unhappy man left with nothing.
And it turned out that we have in the city, students from Lebanon , will buy these cheap and took them to her to Lebanon , where they were sold . I do not think that it is very expensive. But perhaps the difference was enough for them .
And then , in the local press was an article about smuggling in which wrote that two Lebanese tried to remove icons in the amount of one million dollars but they were detained by customs valiant . Say we do not nap and catch violators.
And who do you think has made an assessment of these icons ?
Historical Museum . I think that they just have to write because , as the organization that State .
And found the same sort of a shameless aunt who wrote such bumazhentsiyu .
But Lebanese guys were not stupid . And on the court required to make an independent examination in Kiev. What kgbshniki and pierced .
Expertise from Kiev cost of which I spoke earlier.
So the point and collapsed. Guys released home.

khmelev · 14-04-2014, 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grief

So you can get into the "black list".
And once upon arrival in the Schengen area there suddenly will find something extra baggage.
Well, the cartridge caliber 9 mm, for example.
And deprive visa ...

* I have long been in any blacklists <! - ~ 1 ~ -> *

Wladzislaw · 15-04-2014, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by khmelev

* I have long been in any blacklists *

And Raymond Reddington?
Wow!
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->

тандем · 15-04-2014, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by uriart; 3082551"

When something 10-12 years ago to our shop KGBshnik came and brought a couple of icons .

Dear uriart! ! 10-12 ago in Ukraine where you live no longer existed KGB. September 20, 1991 , the Verkhovna Rada adopted a resolution "On creation of the National Security Service of Ukraine." The same decree was abolished State Security Committee of the Ukrainian SSR. This firstly.
Secondly . Unclear why " pouter " needed " valuation report by 1 million " by an unknown private person in a certain store if icons has been removed at customs, which can be done only if the conclusion Examining these icons were cultural value not be exported outside Ukrainy.Esli icons were removed , then was launched into the pre-trial investigation kontrabandy.Sud only recognizes the professional expertise of an eligible institution for such cases . Shoplifting detention in court does not pass . It is a truism . So do not , after watching movies or TV shows , compose bike presenting investigator SBU Ukraine bloodthirsty idiots .
If we are engaged in writing , then study the subject of their tales .

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Artem Бывалый Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 381 Thanks: 106 Thanked 976 Times in 257 Posts Reputation: 1953	Alfred Koch was in a criminal case because the picture Alfred Koch was in a criminal case because the picture BFM.ru able to learn details of the case . According to experts, investigators now have to prove that the businessman knew the value of web Authors: Maria Lokotetskaya In category Persons Learned the details of the criminal case of former chairman of the State Property Committee and businessman Alfred Koch suspected of smuggling. According to his friends, law enforcement claims associated with the picture , which the ex- officer tried to export to Germany. However, they argue that the web is not a cultural value . As told an acquaintance BFM.ru Koch , talking about the picture cost 18 thousand rubles . " It was the sum of its rated Alfred Reingoldovich and declare ," - he says. According to him, Koch wanted to take a picture in Germany, where he now lives most of the time , but customs officials suspected that this is a rare " work of art" . Sam Koch, who is an active blogger , April 8 reported cases opened against him on his page on Facebook. " Congratulate me ! Homeland appreciated my work ! Just when I left for Germany, against me in Russia opened a criminal case . Charged under article ( you will laugh ) - smuggling ( thanks though not pedophilia ) , "- wrote Koch. According to him, the case is investigated by the FSB investigation team consisting of 15 people who had already raided the apartment of his wife. " Broke into an apartment at seven in the morning ... we all love ! " - Resents Koch. "Here they Bulk thief and Serdyukov - no! " Entrepreneur reports that he now - " not entrance " and resents a selective approach of law enforcement , "Here they Bulk thief and Serdyukov - no! And I take it higher - smuggler ! Cool. There is an element of romance. Right Lermontov, "Taman" ... " - ironically the former politician. Koch recalled that within three days of his Facebook account has been blocked , and the social network administrator admitted that it happened after the ex- politician put "post about Putin ." In the public relations center of the FSB failed to promptly respond to the request BFM.ru about the investigation . And friends and acquaintances of the former Deputy Prime Minister of Russia ( 1997 ) attribute the appearance of Alfred Koch trouble due to his criticism of the current government . "Travel for a long tongue " "So , he actively writes about the whole story with the Crimea in their Facebook for several months. I think that the criminal case - is hitting for a long tongue . Well painting for 18,000 rubles, this is just ridiculous ! This is nothing , "- said the politician Vladimir Ryzhkov . At the same time , he said , " it is difficult to predict what could end this story ." According to the president of the public movement " Union of Right Forces " Gozman , the picture has become the subject of a criminal case presents no cultural value. "More I can not comment on this issue , as is the information I was given in a personal conversation ," - he said. Читать дальше... Gozman does not believe that belonging to Koch canvas could take over the work of the famous author . " I do not believe such errors because the examination was then . I think it's deliberate actions , - he said. - As I have long been familiar with Alfred Reingoldovich , I never believe in what he is smuggling . For me it is obvious that the whole thing is that his texts on the network and political position displeases leadership ( of the country) . He took the position that is simply not enough sharp, but also very talented and very bright . " Currently Russian Criminal Code provides for liability for smuggling poisons , weapons, explosives , as well as cultural values or valuable wildlife ( st.226.1 CC). It provides for punishment for a term of 3 to 7 years with a fine of up to one million rubles or without it. And we are talking only about the cultural values , the value of which exceeds 100 thousand rubles. Therefore, it is not clear how this article can be applied to the case with Alfred Koch . On the cultural values and intent [ According to the lawyer and consultant on the art market Nikita Semenov before initiate a criminal case , investigators must conduct a study or examination to prove that is the removal of objects of cultural value. In addition, the detectives must be established that the person acted intentionally. He believes that in such a situation may be a question of one of the two articles of the Criminal Code : or smuggling of cultural property ( st.226.1 CC) or an " evasion of customs duties (Article 194 CC - by a fine of up to 100 thousand 500 thousand rubles to 2 years ' imprisonment - BFM.ru). The latter applies when it comes to evading payment of not less than 1 million rubles . " Anything less - is an administrative offense ," - said the expert. As for the smuggling of cultural property (Article 226.1 of the Criminal Code ) , it is associated with a false declaration object of art . It is worth noting that before impute Koch article detectives and expertise necessary to prove that the export of art objects of cultural value . "For example , the examination determines that the picture or icon was written more than 100 years ago, a man wrote in the customs declaration , it is more modern subjects " - an example Semenov . He said that the export of the subject of art than a hundred years must be authorized by the Ministry of Culture . Office may also prohibit the export of a work of art , created over 50 years ago , because there is a list of items of value and not to be exported . According to the specialist , in order to impute the article 226.1 of the Criminal Code , the investigators will also need to prove that the person acted intentionally. "Often , buying some thing for a few thousand on the market, the person does not feel that this is some cultural value , and if his actions do not intent. And when he bought the painting with the conclusion that it Briullov and declare as canvas painting by an unknown artist , in this case we can say that he was intent on smuggling, but it must be proved . After all, if the person carrying the picture is not an expert in the field of culture , it can honestly be mistaken about the properties of the object and think that it is not a cultural value . In this case, it is not subject to criminal liability ", - concluded the lawyer. Apparently, once the investigators decided on filing a case , they have already spent an expert study . Now the question remains : if they can prove that the actions of Koch was intent ?

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Гриф Старожил Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 685 Thanks: 94 Thanked 351 Times in 268 Posts Reputation: 646	Well painting for 18,000 rubles, this is just ridiculous ! This is nothing , "- said the politician Vladimir Ryzhkov . As a man for stealing a chicken - for three years , that's fine , but here 18,000 rubles - is ridiculous . Well, well ... PS "There was a man , and there will always be oil painting " (c) Pictures do not appear out of nowhere. Rocked dealers. It turns out that not paid Koch 18 tu 18 td. There line up all of those who are in soznanku : This I sold ! <! - ~ 1 ~ -> And then he took a picture to give $ 600 ... "It's about nothing" - funny. Beggar , actually ... Last edited by Гриф; 14-04-2014 at 16:58.

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khmelev Гуру Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,026 Thanks: 75 Thanked 915 Times in 329 Posts Reputation: 1815	everything must always be declared in writing. Socks, underwear , a toothbrush , a handkerchief, a picture ... And all have checks. That's what I 'm doing . Now that the custom sees me from afar, predpochitae6t somewhere to hide. But I still go through the red channel and require inspection. If it do most of the passengers , they all blown away with their demands . And yet - after each pass borders necessarily a complaint. They owe it to give a reasoned reply within one month. If the day will come with a dozen complaints , the work of the office will be fully dezorgnizovana .

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uriart Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UKRAINE Posts: 8,039 Thanks: 5,979 Thanked 7,016 Times in 2,462 Posts Reputation: 12460	When something 10-12 years ago to our shop KGBshnik came and brought a couple of icons. Asked them to evaluate . I said that this price for a couple of icons 50-80 hryvnia . He was terribly unhappy and surprised by my words . Say icons are at least 1 million USD , and I told him about what there UAH . Then he started me on the other hand , they say , and you can not write me a valuation report by 1 million ? I said that I can not write what is not really. Very unhappy man left with nothing. And it turned out that we have in the city, students from Lebanon , will buy these cheap and took them to her to Lebanon , where they were sold . I do not think that it is very expensive. But perhaps the difference was enough for them . And then , in the local press was an article about smuggling in which wrote that two Lebanese tried to remove icons in the amount of one million dollars but they were detained by customs valiant . Say we do not nap and catch violators. And who do you think has made an assessment of these icons ? Historical Museum . I think that they just have to write because , as the organization that State . And found the same sort of a shameless aunt who wrote such bumazhentsiyu . But Lebanese guys were not stupid . And on the court required to make an independent examination in Kiev. What kgbshniki and pierced . Expertise from Kiev cost of which I spoke earlier. So the point and collapsed. Guys released home.