Kirsanov Mikhail Gerasimov - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

John Preston · 16.09.2008, 01:54

Hello!

Tell me, please, for the authenticity of this work.
It is proposed to be inexpensive, but there are doubts.
In the center of the picture and in the left corner of the blue brushstrokes of the sky in ultraviolet radiation shining black, the signature of such does not glow, but it turns out that its color is not from the palette of the picture.
On the back of some foreign label.
Size - 30,5 to 46,5 cm, oil on cardboard.
The seller said he bought it several years ago in an antique shop in Germany.

John Preston · 17.09.2008, 20:51

Surely no one in the collection Kirsanov and difficult to say anything definite on the picture?

Евгений · 18.09.2008, 07:05

John Preston, picture art history expert, the more authenticity does not work opredelyayut.Obratites center ВХНРЦ im.I.E.Grabarya.

Konstantin · 18.09.2008, 09:42

John Preston

You want to hear?

If you look it up yourself sale on this site =757090 & m []=292000 & m []=272000"] http://artinvestment.ru/auctions/19670/records.html? & m []=757090 & m []=292000 & m []=272000
will see that trying to sell for $ 2000-6000 failed. Selling out for $ 1000. This means that with a slight interference fit can be assumed that the price range for this artist $ 500-3000 as any painting. Examination is worth $ 500-2500 in your case is not necessary.
The main thing - for what purpose you want to buy?
Possible answers
- Likes - potorguytes in the range of $ 500-1500 and take.
- To invest (in rachete growth) - not worth it.

John Preston · 18.09.2008, 19:52

Constantine, I would take it, but do not want to buy a fake. For this purpose, and started a discussion ...
What are the chances that this is the original?

SergeiSK · 18.09.2008, 20:20

Odd almost 100%, that is exactly Kirsanov, because not Aivazovsky, Repin, no, not Kandinsky ...

dedulya37 · 18.09.2008, 20:27

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this is Kirsanov, because not Aivazovsky, Repin, no, not Kandinsky ...

And you is John Preston, and not Billy Preston.: D

Konstantin · 18.09.2008, 20:36

John Preston

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Constantine, I would take, but do not want to buy a fake. For this purpose, and started a discussion ...
What are the chances that this is the original?

I think Kirsanov is not the level to be forged.
You did not answer the reasons for purchase. If you like it not make any difference Kirsanov it or anyone else.

John Preston · 18.09.2008, 20:49

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John Preston

I think Kirsanov is not the level to be forged.
You did not answer the reasons for purchase. If you like it does it matter Kirsanov it or anyone else.

Motive - partly an investment, for offering very cheap. A fake everything, that something worth something, I think to sign a picture of an unknown artist signature "Kirsanov" does not require large financial investments ...

Konstantin · 18.09.2008, 23:31

But this painting by an unknown artist, too, need to buy. This tazhe fork 500-3000 $. So? To sign and sell for tezhe money? Why?
P.S.
I am not familiar with the style of the artist as a rest, and even with ten thousand others, but looking at something that was offered to the Gelos and Sovkome is not very similar to your.

16.09.2008, 01:54	Язык оригинала: Русский #1
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17.09.2008, 20:51	Язык оригинала: Русский #2
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18.09.2008, 09:42	Язык оригинала: Русский #4
Konstantin Гуру Регистрация: 28.03.2008 Сообщений: 9,415 Спасибо: 1,532 Поблагодарили 29,854 раз(а) в 6,714 сообщениях Записей в дневнике: 10 Репутация: 27272	John Preston You want to hear? If you look it up yourself sale on this site =757090 & m []=292000 & m []=272000"] http://artinvestment.ru/auctions/19670/records.html? & m []=757090 & m []=292000 & m []=272000 will see that trying to sell for $ 2000-6000 failed. Selling out for $ 1000. This means that with a slight interference fit can be assumed that the price range for this artist $ 500-3000 as any painting. Examination is worth $ 500-2500 in your case is not necessary. The main thing - for what purpose you want to buy? Possible answers - Likes - potorguytes in the range of $ 500-1500 and take. - To invest (in rachete growth) - not worth it.

18.09.2008, 19:52	Язык оригинала: Русский #5
John Preston Гуру Регистрация: 16.09.2008 Адрес: Россия, Москва Сообщений: 3,743 Спасибо: 3,809 Поблагодарили 1,854 раз(а) в 969 сообщениях Репутация: 3694	Constantine, I would take it, but do not want to buy a fake. For this purpose, and started a discussion ... What are the chances that this is the original?

18.09.2008, 20:20	Язык оригинала: Русский #6
SergeiSK Гуру Регистрация: 10.08.2008 Адрес: Russia, $ochi Сообщений: 5,666 Спасибо: 1,397 Поблагодарили 6,209 раз(а) в 1,926 сообщениях Записей в дневнике: 1 Репутация: 9995	Odd almost 100%, that is exactly Kirsanov, because not Aivazovsky, Repin, no, not Kandinsky ...

18.09.2008, 23:31	Язык оригинала: Русский #10
Konstantin Гуру Регистрация: 28.03.2008 Сообщений: 9,415 Спасибо: 1,532 Поблагодарили 29,854 раз(а) в 6,714 сообщениях Записей в дневнике: 10 Репутация: 27272	But this painting by an unknown artist, too, need to buy. This tazhe fork 500-3000 $. So? To sign and sell for tezhe money? Why? P.S. I am not familiar with the style of the artist as a rest, and even with ten thousand others, but looking at something that was offered to the Gelos and Sovkome is not very similar to your.