Handwriting analysis

[Маруся]

Question to those who have encountered this problem. How, where, with the maximum reliability and, of course , it profitably spend in Moscow (preferably ... ) ?

There are graphics work supposedly the early twentieth century. Not that the sketch for the theatrical production of , and the 25th repeat or copy on a smaller scale - compared with working thumbnails are stored in the museum Bakhrushina . Art and other advice here for a couple of years give the same result: yes and no , or yes and no ( I mean : paper, condition , performance, - everything fits and there is no certainty )
And I just thought that once work is signed and inscribed ( the name of the setting and the author's name and initials ) - and all in the same handwriting , ink old regime and words written enough - maybe something handwriting analysis can confirm or deny ?

[khmelev]

Azadovsky in St. Petersburg faced with discrepancies in handwriting examination. Experts belt smartly wrote in the conclusion that "the handwriting does not have anything to do with Benoit ," and graphology experts have stated that the whole phrase in the figure , including the signature , written by Benoit .
And it turned out that critics belt to pass judgment on the principle of " like - not like " and had no authority to express a judgment about the handwriting.

[Маруся]

I well remember the story Azadovsky.
How, by the way, is he doing?


Therefore, the question arose: can anyone have any other impressions of handwriting expertise ...

And soobstvenno, but what does handwriting expertise in the world of art criticism ...
Is it worth doing this?

[khmelev]

case , obviously, in the same place , but the fact is remarkable .
Typically , art historians to strengthen their judgments write about " the way the mark of " signature or anything like that .
It is important to understand that these statements " have no meaning ."
As they said in the old days , " in spite of the signature , the real thing " <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Владимир Владимирович]

Сообщение от khmelev

"in spite of the signature, the real thing"

One time I heard from an expert: Strange, strange.
Work it exactly, but the signature is not quite similar.
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Маруся]

Сообщение от khmelev; 2633881"

As you said in the old days , " in spite of the signature , the real thing "

I will allow myself to restore historical justice.
Aforrizm , use, and apparently continues to enjoy success in the circle of St. Petersburg collectors :

"Despite the signature , the real thing ."

belongs to Boris Okunev .

But the question remains : does it make sense to conduct a handwriting expert
And if so, where ?

[khmelev]

I only know about Petersburg.

There is a forensic examination of handwriting.

There is a historical bond expertise in Publichke.

Strangely enough, the results can be diametrically contradict each other <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Магнолия]

Сообщение от Maroussia ; 2633911 "

But the question remains : does it make sense to conduct a handwriting expert

There has not.
I personally faced with the procedure and registration of handwriting expertise .
With collation 100 %authenticity of the fact specialist with a great experience for forensic examination documented an 80%probability of authenticity. And in the words added for identity is not nobody ever shall paint .
And the money for such a result was paid not small.

[mihailovoh]

Marussia,
Forensic gives a 90 percent ( mk vremeni.pravaya there is a change on the left - hand and so on .) In each megacities is. Considered the most reliable .
It should be about 2 percent obazets td.nuzhen 100 - original for comparison.
It's expensive and not everyone recognizes it rezultat.hotya court recognizes .

[Маруся]

Сообщение от mihailovoh; 2634531 "

need a 100 - percent obazets original for comparison.
It's expensive and not everyone recognizes it rezultat.hotya court recognizes .

Well , thank God , the court did not intend to run ...

As far as I know, the original handwriting alleged author , even of the same year , which can be used as a model for eksppertizy exists and is in the museum . ( There are more recent examples - in RGALI . ) And the museum does not even compare against handwriting. But there is the museum professionals with the right to carry out relevant expertise ( not the signatures ! (Within the art- examination ), and the handwriting!