"Children" Murillo, engraving.

[Vlada]

Bartolome Esteban Murillo (1617-1682), «DES ENFANS»

I would like to ask the experts - like the eighteenth century? This may be the XVII th, on paper, for example? Picture trying to do through a magnifying glass.
Is the name of the engraver (attachment 5) , but who knows .

As I understand it , with expertise should not be puzzling because of the low cost prints.
And do not tell anyone kindly approximate value of the object ( sheet size 12h18sm )?

[раскатов]

This so-called contour engraving.
Albums with these prints were distributed in 1820 to 30 years.
Usually they were cheap editions for the people.
The cost is small.

[Vlada]

The cost of a small - it's like?
1000 rub.?
or even less >?

Inside the mat there is a note, according to her - an engraving in 1990, the year was rated good,

(In fact, I think, in fact, 50 rubles - they were more money, or when there occurred the collapse of the ruble, 93-94th?)

or it means nothing?

[Amateur]

Сообщение от peals ; 1684411"

This is the so-called contour engraving . Albums with these prints were distributed in 1820 to 30 years . Usually they were cheap editions for the people. The cost is small.

Still possible that this is - list directory of somebody's collection of paintings , most likely Italian. Engraver unknown, and , judging by your engraving , it's not a great master . By the way , not the fact that the original painting belongs to Murillo, then it was a lot of pictures with attribution with the words of the owner of the congregation, on whose order is and directory. On the dating of the agreement : 1820 + - 20 years. About the price : these prints offered on eBay with the launch of a euro , and even then are rarely sold .

[Vlada]

peals, Amateur, thanks for the quick response !

Murillo has been a lot of similar stories, with teasing game - greedy - chewing boys, probably still with some of his original engraving was done .

I went to teach mat.chast ( the old engravings ) >
and this - to her friend at the dacha, the nursery looks great .

[Amateur]

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By the way , not the fact that the original painting belongs to Murillo, then it was a lot of pictures with attribution with the words of the owner of the congregation, on whose order is and directory.

By the way, and an example of such a catalog sheet - from the catalog of the gallery of the palace Leyhtenberg (Munich). Author engravings - Johann Nepomuk Miksel (Johann Nepomuk Mixel, 1790 - 1870). The image is taken from the site of the British Museum . In 1835, the original was considered a work of Murillo , and now - only work for someone else " by Murillo " (after Murillo).

[Vlada]

Amateur, thank you, very interested in what you are telling . Yes, like the catalog list . There's still some room on top there .

But such a question , I hope he does not take much of your time, and if you are not very difficult at least one word answer of engravers , working on paintings by famous artists of the time, too, were some of his celebrity, or are they all the same for the most part craftsmen performers ?

[Amateur]

Сообщение от Vlada; 1684773"

among the engravers working on paintings by famous artists of the time, too, were some of his celebrity, or are they still for the most part craftsmen performers?

Of course, there were a variety of masters. Among the large and esteemed call at random: Marcantonio Raimondi (engraved works by Raphael), sheltie Adams Bolsvert (Rubens), Cornelis Visscher (Rubens, Dutch and Flemish painters of the XVII century), Francesco Bartolozzi (various artists XVI-XVIII centuries), Richard Earl (Claude Lorrain, British artists of the XVIII century). In general, almost all of the XVIII century and the beginning of the XIX-th - the era of the so-called engravings, then it was invented by many different techniques to the original halftone in print. But the demand for reproductions of works of art could not be satisfied only great masters (because then the pictures were not), so in parallel with their work and the master of smaller caliber, was also working for the "artisans-artists." If it is engraved directories, it is all depended on the generosity of the customer's purse and behold, King George III could afford to invite Bartolozzi to make an inventory of paintings owned by Birmingham of the old masters. Everyone - his ...

[Vlada]

Now I understand how stupid was my question , but really for some reason thought that the main in the old engraving - the author of the image that reproduktsiruetsya , and singer -engraver (good or not so) stay away , in so far as - not very interesting in general . Since the 20th century as a simpler and clearer .
Thank you , Amateur, and for answers, and for small educational > !