Zelfira Tregulova appointed director ROSIZO

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Interview -http://rupo.ru/m/3942/

Sensation for a professional audience - your new assignment . On the State Museum and Exhibition Center " ROSIZO" long forgotten , the position of its director did not seem attractive to the specialist of your class.

You see , for me, the question was whether to remain in the Kremlin Museum , where I worked for 11 years, where there is a good team. Someone may be in the same place all my life, but I'm more than ten years never worked . I need a change of scenery , the circumstances that I once again felt the drive to consciousness began to gush.

As a result, I accepted the offer to become CEO ROSIZO that primarily involves providing a large multi-disciplinary exhibitions. I made ​​them to work in the Kremlin Museum and the Pushkin Museum , and I was wondering back to this in the new stage . Although, they say , in the same river twice not to enter.

Sorry, can not help but ask : we know that you were one of the main contenders for the post of director of the Pushkin Museum. Alexander Pushkin. What you experienced when they learned that this does not happen ?

You know , I'm a man who worked in the Soviet structures and know how to prepare and agree on such a solution , as can be unexpected twists and turns . Yes, my candidacy was discussed , but I know from experience : as long as he stands before the eyes of the order of appointment should not be anything to be sure . Let's go back to the exhibitions . Now that's another water without a stormy ocean , as in the 1990s .

The situation has changed radically . I worked for All художественнопроизводственном combining them . Yevgeny Vuchetich from 1986 to 1997 . In those 11 years , when the organization has made ​​a stunning exhibition projects . The exhibition The Great Utopia became for me and my colleagues in this university.

And another project on which to hone the ability to do the impossible - an exhibition of Moscow - Berlin. Utopia consisted of a thousand artifacts from 56 museums and exhibits here there were two and a half thousand, and the number of meetings rolls over . It was a very interesting project : Butt time , generations and countries.

Such an exhibition can not be forgotten , and when you look at the incredible red brick - a directory, the struggle to understand how it was possible to make two projects - in Moscow and Berlin, that they sounded so much the first time showed that was not accepted.

But it was a terrific time of discovery. I do not doubt your professional capabilities , but is not that period is over?

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Of course , the wave of discoveries that washed over us in the 1990s , will not return . But I am convinced that today we can do such projects . Not as sharp and ambitious but thoughtful , subtle , with an analysis of the artistic, social, cultural and political issues . First of all, by the twentieth century , including social realism .

It is time to calm assessment of many phenomena , the radicalism of previous judgments softened . Perhaps you can regret it , go and polemical sharpness , but having the wisdom and prudence , there is a more detailed and less snobbish attitude . We are now initiating a project that just might be a serious , mature reflection on the art of the second half of the twentieth century. But it is too early to disclose details .

A lot of thought, time Tregulova appointed to this position , so it is important. The Ministry of Culture shows the intention to carry out the state 's cultural policy . Before you put ideological objectives?

Indeed, my appointment due to the desire of the Ministry and the need to represent the country at international festivals and in the culture 's significant, competitive projects that could have an adequate response in the West.

And the resonance in the West - a problem ?

Yes, they should be big, serious show, which would have been seen , which would have been contacted . And they should represent the cultural heritage of the country. Let's remember what happened in the past decade, with exhibitions of Russian art abroad. In 2005, with the incredible success of an exhibition of Russian ! .

Yes, at the Guggenheim Museum , you were her supervisor .

It was simply built , but it was thin and difficult concept . And it was based on the best things created in Russia , starting from the icons of the XIII century and ending with a stunning installation by Ilya Kabakov Man flown away into space from his apartment from the Pompidou Centre.

The resonance was huge, the exhibition has become the most visited in the history of the museum. In the same year was Europalia festival in Belgium with an incredible range of exhibitions. And I must say , the project was carried out in ROSIZO involving many different museums and curators. The projects shown across the country, and different for everyone , but cleverly made ​​without official fanfare.

And the last great exhibition - Holy Russia in the Louvre. She came up with the French curators . Kremlin museums took part in it , and I remember how everything demanded of the French concept. In the end, they showed a piece of paper , by and large does not mean anything . But what we saw in the Louvre, was stunning. And for the representatives of Russian museums, and for the French.

She and the Tretyakov Gallery stunned : so many first-rate ancient monuments in the one place I've never seen before.

In this case, no concept and does not need comments . I like the show, curated by art can express yourself and do not impose a pre-determined point. More such projects where Russia would have thundered , I do not remember.

Made some interesting exhibitions organized by museums, but here are such that the world marveled and survived the culture shock was not. I think my appointment is just about understanding that you need to return to large-scale projects , which unites the efforts of museums and curators, is produced when a modern , adequate , competitive concept and when the state invested money gives the best results .

The result - a positive image of Russia ?

The idea of ​​an incredibly significant artistic heritage when it comes to the old art , or a live show , an interesting process , in the case of contemporary art. This applies, by the way, not only in Europe , with the United States after a conflict with the Schneerson museum exchange until interrupted, but there are also Asian countries.

Prior to our meeting, you were Chinese. What was agreed ?

Still a secret , but China is known around the world, becoming a major consumer of world culture. Kremlin museums have made Faberge exhibition in Shanghai - it was visited by 600 thousand people. China understands that the country adopt such prestigious exhibitions, and the state allocates the funds.

What is the secret? It is easy to guess that they are just waiting for the art of socialist realism.

Of course, but not only. They are interested and Russian paintings of the XIX century . Actually, I know that for many Chinese wonder . But there are projects that interest them less than the Europeans.

Clearly, if one show is shown in different places , it makes life easier for the organizers , but the creation of targeted exhibition project works best when you make a project for a specific museum , its collection and its program. Then, and achieved the best result , even though it involves work intensity .

Museums, as you said, quite successfully exchanged between the two exhibitions. Why would they ROSIZO ?

Here I will give the minister as saying : do not show instead of museums , along with museums .

You have an interesting and promising task. First, the Russian art in the world underestimated ...

100%but agree with you .

Second, interest in art in the world is not falling , and the new is not easy to find. French Impressionists and Van Gogh already seen. And some discoveries , such as the Danish painting beginning of the XIX century , is very encouraging. A few contemporary Russian art at the Biennale .

I absolutely agree with you . I did Russia ! passionately , knowing that it offers Americans an unknown civilization. By the way you thought of the Danish art . In the 1990s, had a major exhibition at the Metropolitan muzee.Kogda I saw her , I thought that if you make the exhibition Golden Age of Russian painting, it would have had a huge success.

In addition, there are impeccable quality of work , they present something incredibly human , natural, and understandable to all . Here, for example , the Italians are doing a lot of shows about his XIX century .

About which you think, how could fall so great Italian painting !

But again reminded of Russia ! . How many people were staying in front of paintings of the second half of the XIX century and in front of the scenery , and the portrait of Dostoevsky. Today there is a new attitude to the social realism . Recent projects that have adopted a new attitude to Soviet art - are two exhibitions in Rome's Palazzo delle of an exhibit - a retrospective of Alexander Deineki , brilliant , which had a huge success , and the second - of socialist realism , which I also co-curator was , it was visited by two months 100 thousand people.

In Rome , where there is something to see!

The exhibition is very seriously analyzed the domestic arts from 1924 to 1980. It included works by such great artists as Helium Korzhev and Viktor Popkov, and it looked serious art artistic phenomenon.

Well, about that show was ? What these works told the audience ?

First, the fact that this art is not uniform and there is not only in the form of custom painting , even in the custom painting artists paintings problem solved ; many of today look very boldly , and wonder how that courage has not been read and the artist was not punished for it .

Second, even many things terry Socialist realism - a significant and serious art , parallel Italian or German art of the same period . And there was not a single portrait of Stalin. But Voroshilov skiing ( picture Voroshilov skiing . - TANR) Isaak Brodsky was , of course.

As for art after 1953 , it was honest and sincere, very deep . And when you look at the picture Popkov (and we are now preparing two of his show to show abroad) , now seen as existential in his work , as the fear of death ......

and dialogue with the old paint.

And there is no ideology at all . Even Builders of Bratsk that emblematic for severe style - it is a terrible black background and deep - trench in front of the characters. And a whole lot associated with the Brethren , extremely tragic. And when you look at the art again , you realize how much it is interesting and important , not only for you, the Soviet -born man who knows the background and context, but it has a universal sound.

1960 was a happy time for Russian art, with the establishment of wonderful movies , written a wonderful book. About movies and literature in the world know about painting and almost none .