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Старый 19.02.2009, 21:05 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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Unhappy About the new building of the CHA

in the center of Moscow is scheduled cleaning

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In the building of the State Tretyakov Gallery was an exhibition of the draft plan of the building in CHA and the Tretyakov Gallery.

History of it appears so. In March 2008 the head of Inteko Elena Baturin has exposed in Cannes construction project on the site of this building "Orange" by Norman Foster. This caused an uproar. In April, she met with Vladimir Putin, then president of Russia, and the results he had instructed Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov to work out the issue (in fact, it was instructed to himself, because in May he became prime minister). Was a commission, supervised by Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov. From Moscow, it includes Vladimir Resin.
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In July 2008 the Commission decided to study the issue in terms of balancing the interests of three stakeholders - the Tretyakov Gallery, Central House of Artists and the City of Moscow, who owns the playground. By September, the two art organizations formulated their demands for areas in the new complex, and the Moscow city authorities commissioned the Institute of the General Plan to conduct an analysis of the urban development area with a view to its possible development. The results of this study and were submitted within ten days of the public in the hall of the Tretyakov Gallery at the Crimea, and on 24 February to be held a public discussion of the project.

During this time, however, suffered a crisis. Since September, Elena Baturin distanced itself from the project and in this phase, it did not participate. According to the law and should not - the result of urban analysis and technical specifications for designing the Tretyakov Gallery and the CHA must go through investment competition, and only there to define and a company that will do it, and the project. However, at first it was clear what financial resources can have these preparations, and now - no. Project from a business standpoint look relatively risky and against the backdrop of rising market: Transfer of collections of the Tretyakov Gallery - this is terribly expensive action. Amid crisis, it looks hopeless. In addition, Lord Foster closed his architectural practice in Russia and work on the project "Orange" ceased.

Accordingly, the situation looked like this, that, on the one hand, the project is long dead, and the Institute of General Plan should simply be bureaucratic logic, work out instruction Resin "to nowhere." Frankly speaking, the degree of ticky-tacky submitted their draft an argument in favor of such a decision. Therefore, an attempt to campaign against the project when it was exhibited in the Tretyakov Gallery, has not led to serious results. Against bureaucratic phantom made to the Disclaimers, difficult to fight in earnest.

But two things very confused. First, rumors. Unfortunately, none of the responsible people are not willing to say anything about a voice recorder, but from different sides I during these ten days have heard the same story. Namely, that Putin intends to do on-site CHA federal financial center, which is not in Moscow and the lack of which prevents it to become the world's financial capital. In this case, it is not about finding a private investor, they will come running themselves, as they came running to the reconstruction of the palace in Strelna. Perhaps, and Elena Baturina not be able to completely distance himself from the project.

Of course, in this situation can easily be the victim of misinformation that is running the express purpose of discrediting the project. But the second factor, which is confusing - is that, in fact, drawn, and that is presented for public discussion.

The proposed project does not own architecture, urban development is the analysis - that is, the location of buildings and their altitude. However, at this level shows that the CHA and the Tretyakov Gallery is still connected together - and that was one of the main shortcomings of the existing building. It CHA passed closer to the metro "October" and the building of the Tretyakov push to the corner of the site, adjacent to the trestle bridge and the embankment of the Crimea. Today it is the most dull part of the site, there is gas station. All the troubles of the situation saved. Why then rebuild?

In place of CHA is proposed to build a business center height of 17 floors. In this project there is no urban planning logic, no functional analysis, but there is another. Like an excavator, all the territory of the cultural functions are shifted to the edge, closer to the overpass, which usually collect snow. The very ground cleared under the investment function.

Around the new business center of the sponsors of the draft proposes to maintain the park, the remainder of the current fleet of Arts. However, anyone who knows the realities of today's Moscow, understands that such internal park, fenced off from the line of road building and adjacent to the new business center. His enclose a fence, and at the entrances put toptunov. Look at the Government Center near Moscow, Moscow region - where the building is designed around the park, the promenade for walking, beautiful public place. But it is at a distance of kilometers away from the building surrounded by barbed wire and provided with a system checkpoint that can withstand a tank attack. The same will be on the site of the Park of Arts, and is little dependent on the architects. They can not create such spaces, but once created, the checkpoint formed themselves.

The crisis dictates its own laws, and Foster in this space will not be. Apparently, to make this project will be Michael Posokhin (territory assigned to his institution). I am personally not fond of CHA buildings, but we feel the difference. Near projects Michael Posokhin is a masterpiece that should be preserved at all costs.

The most salient feature here is the cynicism. Yet to reach the public with the proposal raking the Tretyakov Gallery and CHA closer to the trestle bridge, which are located Tire and garages, is risky. As well as reaching the residents of the region Yakimanka with the proposal to deprive them park and make it a recreational zone business center. Sam's cynicism about something shows.

There may be two options. Either planners in general have forgotten how to be guided by any logic, other than commercial. We previously had a strong urban planning school, they knew how much, but now for them "to undertake an analysis of urban development" means simply to decide how to mop up the site from residents and tenants under the subsequent sale. Then in front of us a vivid example of falling standards of urban culture, truly landmark. It must be placed in textbooks to show to what can happen with once-decent people.

Or, the project is really worth the disposal of Vladimir Putin, and then it becomes clear that the spit and the Tretyakov Gallery, and the residents. Strange that it is not allowed to strip a riot Park Arts from mothers with prams. Then I do not know what to do. It remains only where it is possible to scream: Hey! Vladimir Vladimirovich! Foster will not be! Will Manege Square in the old Russian plastic parts!

When Lord Foster has proposed his project "Orange", I made a mistake in his defense. I thought that the collection of Russian avant-garde in this building can be a sign for Moscow, that this is indeed the new Tretyakov Gallery. Failed to generally assume that in our culture today, the institution may be more advanced than in the 60's and 70's. The general cultural level had fallen so much that people are not ashamed to speak with projects of this level, when it comes to the main national museum of the country.

The newspaper Kommersant »№ 30 (4085) on 19.02.2009


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Старый 20.02.2009, 08:54 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2
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you would have been another (different) view!
Olga, it's not my opinion, and author of the article.
And about the cultural level is a good anecdote.

Once Czechoslovakia asked the USSR to help her create a Ministry of the Navy. At our reasonable notice of that, they say, you such a ministry. You live in the heart of Europe, the sea you do not have, and to the nearest well.
Czechs in response offended and said:
- Well, you also have the Ministry of Culture! : p



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I heard the news the other day that the official protest actions are entitled to make only residents Yakimanka as if everyone else is happening in general is not concerned. What is clear is that the building CHA and Sculpture Park demolish sure, all this is a matter of time, but that it was constructed, I think, by and large, no longer important.

I'm not happy (as well as many others) from the building and exhibition facilities, CHA, but what is certain, it is that the interests of the Central House of Artists, Tretyakov Gallery, the people, including mothers with baby carriages, into account when building, no one will. Once upon a place "above" eye put, no protests will not help



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Art-action in defense of Central House of Artists will be held tomorrow in Moscow


Art-action in defense of Central House of Artists will be held tomorrow in Moscow, said on the radio station Ekho Moskvy, one of the participants of the planned event. The action is expected to take part, young creative people who do not belong to any political parties. As a participant told the rally, young artists, architects, musicians and photographers will gather at the Arts Park at 15.30 and to 16.30 each will deal with the type of creativity, which he most closely resembles. "This is an art event - not a rally, not a picket, and it does not need to obtain permission," - she added.

As previously reported, Moscomarchitecture presented a draft plan for the territory of the Crimean shaft, according to which the State Tretyakov Gallery and the International Confederation of Artists' Union, now occupying the CHA, will have new buildings, and the CHA may be demolished. In connection with the possible demolition of the building in anticipation of public hearings on the issue, which is scheduled for February 24, near the Central House of Artists held a series of actions and pickets.

21.02.2009 21:07

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Surely in times of crisis resolved to demolish CHA? There is a big risk, instead of Orange to get long-term construction. In general, as things stand now, with construction in Moscow?



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instead of the Orange to get long-term construction. General
We Baturina enough money for one hundred and Oranges ..



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Question What instead CHA?

In place of CHA may receive hotel


Instead, Central House of Artists on the Crimean shaft may receive a hotel, said at a public hearing on Tuesday the chief architect of Moscow Alexander Kuzmin.
According to the project of planning the territory on the Crimean shaft, which was presented at the exhibition Moscomarchitecture through public hearings, is proposed to construct new buildings for the Tretyakov Gallery and the Confederation of Unions of Artists, investment facilities, the reorganization of park area and a device for building underground parking lots.
It CHA and the State Tretyakov Gallery, built in close proximity to the Garden Ring: House painter perpendicular to it, and the museum - in parallel to form a sort of letter "G".
"By law, the investor can not build this site offices and housing on the site may display CHA hotel", - said the chief architect of Moscow.
Furthermore, he added, according to its function, it can be "treats".
In public hearings, which took place in the lobby of the State Tretyakov Gallery on the Crimean shaft on Tuesday, attended by 350 people. Most of the attendees decried the proposed options.

24.02.2009 22:11
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Well, yes, held an event to be located. All of these protests, unfortunately, shaking the empty air. But now (like yesterday one of the correspondents said) power to themselves in this matter. Opinion residents surrounding area formally heard, respected the law, so no further discussion will not be. Maybe after all, and so get: demolish demolish, and quickly, but the construction is postponed, because, as clearly distinct development project yet, in fact, did not even know that in general at this point would be.



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Artists exhibited protection CHA

At the Crimean Val appeared snowmen and posters.
  

The newspaper Kommersant »№ 33 (4088) on 25/02/2009
 
Capital artists have raised the housing issue to the head Moscomarchitecture Alexander Kuzmin
 
In building the Central House of Artists (CHA) held a protest against plans for the reconstruction of the capital mayoralty. Capital artists stick snowmen, to "hold" posters "Well done, Meadow, demolition, and the artist - suction". And after the posters have snowmen seized by militiamen, on the contrary CHA began the rally, which gathered demanded "to save the territory of art" from the capital's Mayor Yuri Luzhkov.

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Yesterday rally near the Central House of Artists on the Crimean Val took two hours before the public hearing at which residents of the region Yakimanka be submitted CHA reconstruction project, involving the demolition was built in 1979 the building. In front of the artists blinded dozen skinny snowmen, each of which supplied a banner demanding to stop the demolition or curses to the city authorities. In this case the posters were signed by their authors, for example, the painter Herman Vinogradov put a visa on the grounds that "Yuri Luzhkov - uklyuzhy thief and Rostislav Lebedev - under the banners" meadow hapnuv CHA, you will not be honest and do not need culture, painting, sculpture, business needs a strong but more cap. Group has provided its GHG snowman poster "Well done, Meadow, demolition, and the artist - suction". "Artists - the people dispersed, but when a raider is now seizing the building, even the snowmen are opposed to this," - explained to Kommersant the meaning of the action painter Nikolai Polissky. Installation, however, has survived and 15 minutes. From riding up a police Gazelle unloaded law enforcement officials, who, after a police colonel, that the posters were not, but snegovichki beautiful, let them stand, began to collect seditious propaganda. Policemen at the same time did not detain anyone, and some even apologized to the artists, giving, for example, Mr. Vinogradov was to tell the fate of the CHA building with a banner in his hands and only then politely removed his.

At this time, Gorky Park, opposite the CHA began the authorized rally, organized by the Committee for the Protection of the territory of art, which was created by artists in protest against the demolition of the building. Under the slogans "Do not give investment program to push through culture" and "appetite landlords - anorexia, were about 100 people. "For Luzhkov's the main thing - greed. If he was offered good money, he agrees to demolish the Town Hall" - formulated the general idea of the picket, the representative of the initiative groups of Moscow Gennady Borcheev. As a result, organizers of the rally demanded "not to put the question of culture in the country's dependence on commercial structures and to conduct an open competition" for the reconstruction of the building. Rally near the building's own CHA and activists have attempted to Yabloko, but to deploy its symbolism did not give them policemen.

Recall that the scandal surrounding the building of the Central House of Artists (60%of it is the Tretyakov Gallery, 40%- International Confederation of Unions of Artists) began in March last year. Then the wife of Mr. Luzhkov, head of Inteko Elena Baturin presented a construction project on the site of CHA buildings "Orange" by architect Norman Foster. After her appeal to the Government of Russia has established a commission, supervised by Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, who was supposed to reconcile the interests of the Tretyakov Gallery, CHA and the City Hall. But then Mrs. Baturin has distanced itself from the project, Lord Foster, has closed its office in Russia, and the public was presented to another project involving the construction of on-site CHA 17-storey business center, against which they rebelled and artists. Last week, Veronica Sukoyan, daughter of the author's original draft CHA Nicholas Sukoyan, filed documents in the Heritage Committee to recognize the building of a monument of architecture and thus prevent its demolition.

Meanwhile, for reasons of public hearings on the fate of CHA artists themselves are not particularly believe. Note that even though their conduct is regulated by the Urban Planning Code, but the result of the hearing was "advisory" status, that is, the authorities are free to dispose of, or not to take into account comments made during this debate. "Hearings laid hold, and that's performed to confirm the right to property. We no longer hope to nesolidarnost in power", - explained to Kommersant yesterday before hearing the artist Nikolai Polissky. However, the first deputy head of the press service of Moscow's mayor Leonid Krutakov assured Kommersant that the hearing is present chapter Moscomarchitecture Alexander Kuzmin, and "this is the most striking evidence that these hearings are very important:" Naturally, both the government and the mayor will listen to view Muscovites. " The hearing yesterday continued till late evening.


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All of these protest meetings, of course, a good thing, but what is surprising: even if we assume that some investors decide to invest in this project (although neither of which clearly draft the speech does not go more than an abstract), one can imagine What qualities will the new museum building. Of course a purely formal, they will meet the technical requirements, but, I think, will save at all, and I am afraid that the new facilities will begin to crumble even before the Tretyakovka finished his move.
Yes, and who among the living is so incorruptible, to enter the selection committee?
A Fatkulina yesterday, get the bird, just a pity - a man, actually no choice and he should something cheerful to talk about obviously delusional project.



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