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Старый 08.07.2012, 01:11 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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По умолчанию - What happened to the Crimea? - He was drowned.

This post Putin has circled the flood-affected districts of Kuban guard.
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On the Kuban had already arrived by prominent officials: the head of Emergency Tufts, head of the Ministry of Health Skvortsov, Minister for Regional Development Hovorun, flew to Krasnodar, head of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation Bastrykin. Circled the most affected areas, Putin will meet the operational headquarters.
But after reading this, realized that the scale of the tragedy, we learn later, but the perpetrators of it - is not soon.
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Krymsk took all the brunt!

What happened tonight is something unimaginable. Krymsk washed from the face of the earth. The worst thing that happened during the night, people are sunk in sleep with their families, without waking up. At three in the morning, Sanchez I left out the water was not there, but at 3.30 it was already flooded. Who ever heard and mentally, that the water had risen to two-storey apartment buildings! It's strange to see how the first floor apartments (which are high enough foundation) cavity left by the water. On the wall of the winery's water mark reached more than 7 meters! All ... all tsenry trade, market, shopping - there is nothing. Machinery stick in the windows of houses, logs sticking out of the windows with 2 floors of apartments! On the street the house is completely washed out of the Soviet, as if it there had never been! In Lunacharsky ruined houses, the Novorossiysk was only visible roofs of the houses and the people who sat on the roof and asked for help, on my street MOE rode on a motor boat without a problem, water is allowed. And how many victims, dead bodies on the trucks just heap a bunch of obscure, from the arms and legs sticking out in all directions being taken to the morgue, and places in the morgue, no! Along the streets are still floating corpses ... I do not believe Krymsk no longer ... Krymsk took the whole brunt of Novorossiysk in order to save! Now everything is silent, but my father had just been on duty that night and says that the night was going to urgently commission, which decided to open the floodgates Neverdjayevskaya reservoir or not. The question was that if you do not open, it will burst and flood water of Novorossiysk, and if opened, Krymsk wash. And what do you think? Of course, they opened the floodgates! But in the end did not save any New Russia and Krymsk drowned! Well done. But if only in this case people would be warned that the dam on them later, so no! Why not send the police to warn? Why not include a siren to wake up people! We currently do not operate stores, no food, no electricity, Krymsk cordoned off, but what there Krymsk, now ruins. A lot of elderly people drowned, the parents of my friend went missing in the house they were not there when the MOE visited the morgue and they do not, then carried away, or somewhere in the ruins. It's scary. I do not know what a miracle I survived. Damn, I still can not believe that this charming town is no longer

photos were taken during the day, the water is gone, but still:
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Exactly 10 years ago, vavguste 2002 Krymsk has been such a flood :
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On a confidential basis is one of the former officials of the Crimean region reported that during a previous flood in August 2002 he called and said that he has 10 minutes to collect the documents and take his family . He managed to escape , but others are out of luck . After this was also a high wave of water reservoirs . But then , too, the population does not notify the authorities presented it in such a way that allegedly it was a tornado that threw tons of water . I recall that Governor Tkachev is the Krasnodar Territory in 2000 and he gets away with it, as a massacre in the village of Kushchevskaya .

Humanitarian and financial assistance to the victims of last time and came not to all , everyone who was not registered ( the Meskhetian Turks and other ethnic groups) got nothing. Then- Mayor Krymsk Vladimir Rybin suggested that instead of helping to resettle the Meskhetian Turks in other regions of Russia .
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Article from the newspaper "New Kuban" on January 16, 2002
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BUSINESS - TUBE

Krymsk Residents fear that they will wash away with water from overflowing Reservoir
The water level in the reservoir Neverdjayevskaya reached one hundred percent!


Yesterday we received a letter to the editor.

After receiving a new issue of "KP" Kuban "I was delighted that you are so worried about the fate of our region. I absolutely agree with you, the worst to come, as officials are afraid to take the initiative.
I - Nesterenko, Valery, a resident of Krymsk, homeownership is three underflooded floodwater. In the newspaper you brought districts of the scheme, which threatens flooding, and pointed fill level of reservoirs. But why is not indicated in the diagram Neverdjayevskaya reservoir? Even now it is filled with water to 100%. And if the dam burst, the flow will carry just a village and town Neverdjayevskaya Krymsk, which will be on its way, as sandwiched from both sides of the mountain folds. They can be killed dozens or even hundreds of people. Neverdjayevskaya reservoir can not be drained in the usual way, because the bottom drain valve on someone's "smart" initiative is filled with concrete, and the emergency spillway just can not cope with a huge amount of melt water, and can be blocked by ice, which is now covered reservoir. In the civil defense and emergencies, where I spoke with his proposal for the descent of water, refused even to hear: "We have a great deal of work."
The riverbed Adagum where the water should be discharged from the reservoir Neverdjayevskaya currently empty. Keeping the cold days, nature gives us a chance to avert disaster. Especially now that is easy to drain the reservoir (see the scheme proposed by Valery Nesterenko.. - Ed.). You might help stir the officials who have "everything under control," and it may be possible to divert disaster that hangs over us.

Yours
Valery Nesterenko.
Krymsk.


"Neverdjayevskaya Reservoir meets all safety requirements. Except for one thing!"

We tried to get a comment from the authorities and experts

- Indeed, the reservoir is filled Neverdjayevskaya 100 percent. But it meets all safety requirements, except one, - the head of the Office of Civil Defense and Emergencies of the Crimean region Yuri Schwartzberg. - There are no controlled the lower slopes. There is only the upper flood discharge. It is also not regulated. The work of the reservoir depends on the receipt of meltwater: natechet much, so much goes into the river. Now the snow does not melt, and therefore there is no relief. If melting begins abruptly, the worst that can happen - the river Adagum come out of the banks. This will not happen again. But the catastrophe will not be there.

- Before you build a dam, he designed the experts - said the head of the Office of Civil Defense and Emergencies edge Petr Efremov. - And everything is in order. There is no danger for the inhabitants of the Crimean region is not.

Neither the head of the district or the head of the village Nizhnebakansky to which the settlement Neverdjayevskaya, was not there. And in the Kuban basin water management have left us in disbelief. When we were asked to give at least some information about Neverdjayevskaya reservoir in the management said:
- We have observations on it are not engaged. It is a secret. For what reasons - is unknown. And those who practice it can not say.

It seems that the secret Neverdjayevskaya reservoir really exists. And scary. Because of its officials as a store apple of the eye.

Julia Udodova.
It took 10 years.
What is done?
Gelendzhik palaces built under Putin, the Governor Tkachev, patrarha ...

It is understandable why the governor Kuschevskiy edge isteriruet on Twitter:
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I saw that actively unwinds crazy version of the dumping on the Crimean water reservoir. Enough already. At the edge of the fallen 5 months. rainfall!!!
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Старый 08.07.2012, 01:28 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2
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Exactly 10 years ago, in August 2002, has already been subjected Krymsk like a flood:
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in confidence one of the former officials of the Crimean region reported that during the previous flooding in August 2002, he was called and told that he has 10 minutes to collect the documents and take the family. He was able to escape, but the other had no luck. After that, also held high wave from the reservoir. But then, too, people are not notified and authorities presented the case in such a way that it was supposedly a tornado that threw tons of water. Let me remind you that Tkachev is a governor of the Krasnodar Territory in 2000 and he gets away with it, as the massacre in the village Kushchevskaya.

Humanitarian and financial aid to victims in the last time also came not to all, to all those who were not registered (Meskhetian Turks and other ethnic groups) got nothing. Then Mayor Krymsk Vladimir Rybin instead of help offered to resettle Meskhetian Turks in other regions of Russia.
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Article from the newspaper "Novaya Kuban" on January 16, 2002

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BUSINESS - TUBE

Krymsk Residents fear that their wash water from overflowing RESERVOIR
The water level in the reservoir reached Neberdzhaevskom hundred percent!


Yesterday we received a letter to the editor.

After receiving a new issue of "KP" Kuban ", I was delighted by the fact that you are so worried about the fate of our land. Absolutely agree with you, the worst thing to come, and officials are afraid to take the initiative.
I - Valery N. Nesterenko, a resident of Krymsk household is three times waterlogged flood waters. In the newspaper you have led scheme areas at risk of flooding, and pointed out the level of filling of reservoirs. But why is not indicated in the diagram Neberdzhaevskoe reservoir? Already, it is filled with water to 100%. And when the dam burst, the flow simply will carry Neberdzhaevsky village and town Krymsk, which would be in his way, because sandwiched on both sides by mountain folds. Could kill tens or even hundreds of people. Neberdzhaevskoe reservoir not drained in the usual way, because the bottom drain plug on someone "smart" initiative is filled with concrete, and the emergency spillway simply can not cope with a huge amount of melt water, and can be blocked with ice, which is now covered by the reservoir. In Defense and Emergencies, where I spoke with his proposal on the descent of water, refused to even listen, "We work a great deal."
The river bed Adagum, which should be discharged water from the reservoir Neberdzhaevskogo currently empty. Keeping the cold days, nature has given us a chance to prevent a catastrophe. Especially now that drain the reservoir is simple (see the scheme proposed by Valery Nesterenko.. - Ed.). You might help to stir up the officials who have "everything under control", and it may be possible to take trouble is hanging over us.

Regards
Valery N. Nesterenko.
Krymsk.


"Neberdzhaevskoe reservoir meets all safety requirements. Except one!"

We tried to get a comment from the authorities and experts

- Really, Neberdzhaevskoe reservoir is filled at 100 percent. But it meets all the requirements of security, except one - the head of the Office of Civil Defense and Emergencies of the Crimean region Yuri Schwartzberg. - No adjustable bottom slope. There is only the upper flood relief. He, too, is not regulated. The work of the reservoir depends on the receipt of meltwater: natechet much, so much goes into the river. Now the snow is not melting, so there is no relief. If the melting begins abruptly, the worst that can happen - the river Adagum will overflow. This happened more than once. But the disaster will not be there.

- Before you build a reservoir, it designed by professionals, - said the head of the Office of Civil Defense and Emergency edge Petr Efremov. - And everything is in order. There is no danger for the inhabitants of the Crimean district there.

Neither the head of the district, or the head of the village Nizhnebakanski to which the settlement Neberdzhaevsky, was not there. And in the Kuban basin administration left us in a quandary. When asked to give at least some information about Neberdzhaevskom reservoir management replied:
- We observations on it does not lead. It's a secret. For what reasons - is unknown. And who practice it can not say.

It seems that the secret Neberdzhaevskogo reservoir does exist. And scary. Because hold its officials as the pupil of an eye.

Julia Udodova.
It has been 10 years.
What has been done?
Gelendzhik palaces built under Putin, Governor Tkachev patrarha ...

It's clear why the governor Kuschevskiy edge isteriruet tweeted:
Цитата:
I see actively unwound delusional version of dumping on the Crimean water from the reservoir. Enough already. Fell on the edge of the 5-month. rainfall!!!
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Now, many are asking whether usidit a crook and a thief Tkachev in his chair after this tragedy?
And they themselves are responsible - usidit, because our country is not so much more important than human life much loyalty to the authorities. And no matter how many of those lives will be thrown on the altar of personal loyalty to Putin. It's all for the sake of stability #. So enjoy it, freaks ...



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It turns out that before Putin arrived in Krymsk and his " camcorders for recording " assured that the RESET PROCESS water from the reservoir was not, the TFR has already managed to establish that « for 13 hours of overflowing the dam several times automatically threw water on the sleeping city . Experts explain the reasons on which to build in the critical moment is not supervised the work of gateways , randomly opened more than 10 hours . " Investigators arrived to survey the location of emergency in Moscow and Krasnodar, recorded that the dam gates were opened automatically for 13 hours," - said Senior Assistant Head SC SC for the Krasnodar Territory Ivan Sanger ».
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This message Putin has circled the flood-affected districts of Kuban guard.


But after reading this, realized that the scale of the tragedy , we learn later, but the perpetrators of it - is not soon .
It turns out the message of Julia Andropov tried to remove it.
http://newsru.com/russia/08jul2012/skrflood.html

In social networks, high-profile post has been a resident of Krymsk Julia Andropov. She claimed that her father , who worked on the reservoir , said an emergency meeting of the committee , where it was decided to open the floodgates . Later, post and page Andropov had been removed , but it kept the cache Google. The report said that opened the floodgates to protect against flooding of Novorossiysk .



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message appears Julia Andropov tried to remove.
She began to threaten it, a poor, scared, in Kushchevskaya region, where the governor and druzhban Tsapok Tsepovyaz, jokes do not like to come at night and then cut the throat.



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message appears Julia Andropov tried to remove it.

http://newsru.com/russia/08jul2012/skrflood.html


In the high-profile social networks had a message ...
This is very important ...
The tragedy of the message and of course more important soobschitelnitsy 171 lives.




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This is very important ... The tragedy of the message and of course more important soobschitelnitsy 171 lives .
It is important to both .
Always in such tragedies are trying to hide , minimize losses, it is even somewhat justified. Provided that the authorities themselves do take all measures to rescue.
But if a disaster has resulted in not only the element but also someone's intent or even negligence ?
If allowed to cheat , especially to threaten and intimidate those who speak the truth, then tomorrow it can happen anywhere and with anyone.



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to intimidate those who speak the truth
And if it all thought out and no Yuri Andropov not?



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Pi @ dec crept up very much: about these gateways for twenty years, twenty times in a row talking about. Already Tkachev put on the form, etc. Ten years ago such a thing has happened. Then said they have learned ... X @ nd there! What, Haha, the findings ... We all get up off its knees, Nekoda us ...
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"How can they lie"? - You are outraged ..
And when they were children at the school were shot from the tanks, they are less lie? ' And when the people with gas at the theater bullied? And when the drowning "Kursk"?!
Maybe then we vbey their filthy lies back to their filthy throats, today there would be less dead?
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This is very important ...
Yes, this is important: first, general information, no there was no official power through mass media lies, as always, and when there were reports of witnesses and the witnesses - the authorities were alarmed immediately, they are something the old-fashioned hope all be quiet.
A hush is that - and the number of victims and the cause of the disaster, and the complete inaction of the authorities: in the evening all the bosses just moved out of town, in the morning only after someone came and took a helicopter from the roof.
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Tkachev: "We are aware of the going before the flood, at 22:00. With us on the entrances had been run?"
But this is precisely the electorate Kuban, which at the election of President Putin gave 95%.

How's a classic:
 
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Thank God, people are smarter and not being on it blah blah blah. Vote for Putin and everything goes through.



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And if it all thought out and no Yuri Andropov there ?
Well, actually it is possible to throw in such information. In the USSR, it would call ideological deviation .
While the need to rely on the integrity of the resource , but it will take a little time to clear up all the locks, then it will be clear.



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